The Politics Thread

[DARTH NKO]

what do you mean i jump around alot luke? Any way i heard nick say he wanted sarah to join the bnp. I would have like to nich clegg as pm but he choked on pm question time and david cameron has banned muslim scholors from coming in to england for no reason and has for boris johnson i dont think even he knows what he is doing as mayor oh another thing david cameron voted yes to the war in iraq the lib dems were the only one's who vote no to the war

[Shadow Soul]

what do you mean i jump around alot luke? Any way i heard nick say he wanted sarah to join the bnp. I would have like to nich clegg as pm but he choked on pm question time and david cameron has banned muslim scholors from coming in to england for no reason and has for boris johnson i dont think even he knows what he is doing as mayor oh another thing david cameron voted yes to the war in iraq the lib dems were the only one's who vote no to the war

They have banned some Muslim Scholars (ie Zakir Naik and Abu Ameena Bilal Philips, to name two)..not all..especially the ones with connections to the more extreme sects within the Muslin faith/community or ones that have been known to say radical teachings that even go against the Holy Quran.

Oh and one of the reasons for banning the ones they have..to stop extremists from spreading their poison and telling the younger more impressionable Muslims that it is OK to blow people up if they live in a country that is at war with the terrorists. That all Muslins by defination should be terrorist and should anyone ever change faith..that, that person should be put to death. Or do you think that is OK, in which case are you gonna go to the Deep South and tell folks there that it is OK to tar and feather someone just because they are black.

As for Nick Clegg and David Cameron...who cares what they think or don't think..end of the day they are merely vocal figureheads for the government..just as the Queen is the figurehead for the Commonwealth...as for Boris Johnson, he is just a twpsyn.

[DARTH NKO]

in the poor countries muslims get paid to blow themselfs up which is wrong because it says in the holy quran muslims are not allowed to kill themselfs but alot of people will do anything for money which is a shame but thats how the world works. Anyway i agree with you about boris. My mate met boris and he goes thats 10 mins of my life i never it back boris couldnt answer my mates questions for london and his the maylor

[Luke]

what do you mean i jump around alot luke?

It was Dan who said that, not me.

[Ed Burns]

yes i know luke i just hope people get board of the bnp at least we didnt get sarah palin but we did end up with david ( wannabe blair) cameron and boris ( i cant believe i am maylor) johnson

Wow. You jump around a lot, lol. I despise Palin, but she's not quite on the same level as the BNP...just yet anyway.

I don't think Cameron or Johnson have done anything worth ridicule yet. In fact the Coalition have been pretty good in my opinion. I'd also take Cameron over Blair as a person any day.

Palin is like a bad dream that doesn't end. It's kind of funny that somebody that can see Russia from her front porch suddenly has gained steam here in the U.S.. It proves to me that people here don't stick with somebody when things don't get fixed overnight here.

[DARTH NKO]

oh sorry luke but sarah palin got famous for saying that one liner that pitbull and lipstick thing but i love the way obama goes you can put lipstick on a pig its still a pig that shut her up

[Shadow Soul]

Palin is like a bad dream that doesn't end. It's kind of funny that somebody that can see Russia from her front porch suddenly has gained steam here in the U.S.. It proves to me that people here don't stick with somebody when things don't get fixed overnight here.

Unfortunately that seems to be a product of the modern era..total lack of patience and the "I want it now" mentality. When countries are screwed up both economically and socially, it takes time for them to level out and start to recover but look at how people are responding to things its bloody stupid. Hmm a major recession and they all think it will start to be fine in a year or two..no make that closer to 5 to 10..if we are lucky, I'm not an economic expert but I did study history..shame that those in power don't appear to, it would be amazing what they could learn..I for one don't want to end up back in the days of the "Great Depression" but if governments are not careful...those mental images of people having to queue for hand-outs of food because they are too poor to even afford the basics or the lines of men that seemed to stretch on for eternity, all hoping that this was the day they got that labouring job are going to become a stark reality.

For a while the UK as well as the USA governments have in effect been "living" beyond their means and lo and behold we all got bitten on the ass because of this. What did they expect, that they could continue robbing Peter to pay Paul and nothing would come of it (or in the case of the Labour Governement, were they hoping that some rich uncle was gonna die and leave them a huge wad of cash...OK I think the issue of government debt isnt just Labours fault and that its slowly been growing since the 1980's but no-one within whichever party that had a hold of the purse strings actually bothered to go "Hang on, we are totally gonna screw up this country in 20 to 30 years time if we continue..oh well we wont be in power then so its not our problem...by the way may I have £130k for my rent for a house I dont live in..ta very much" but I digress as usual)

Financial markets and investment systems (ie banks) that are so interwoven and dependent on each other that if just one falls its like dropping a stone in water and the ripples are the damage that gets done to the system and thus the common man.

I'm just grateful that Palin didn't get in...times are hard enough for a lot of people I know in the US..can only imagine what damage she would have done to an already fragile economy/social system. You know she reminds me of a serial killer, the ones that go on a rampage and then all the neighbours etc show up and say "but she seemed like such a nice person"...sorry but there is something about her that makes my shovel itch.

Hmm..I should hush and grab my morning cup of tea..didn't mean to go off on a rant or stray from the topic ie The BNP.

If you actually read all that..cheers.

[DARTH NKO]

oh god if the bnp,john and sarah came in to power we be all dead now

[Dan]

oh god if the bnp,john and sarah came in to power we be all dead now

LOL. You need to backup your statements. By John, I assume you mean John McCain. Personally, I like McCain, he has his flaws, his anti-science stance on a lot of issues, but by and large he probably would have been a competent leader. He lost a lot of respect from me by picking Palin. - an obvious attempt to draw in the far-right which he was struggling with.

[DARTH NKO]

sorry dan but not a fan of john mccain i dont think he would have done a better job then obama is doing now i heard obama is getting death threats? Why send them to the bnp or bush and blair i doot mind nearly

[DragonPlay]

oh sorry luke but sarah palin got famous for saying that one liner that pitbull and lipstick thing but i love the way obama goes you can put lipstick on a pig its still a pig that shut her up

Actually it hardly shut her up, she's more vocal and in the news now than then. That statement by Obama was one thing though, incredibly rude and insulting. Showed what a F'ing asshole he is.

Palin will likely be running for president in 2012, and she'll have a good chance of winning. I for one will be voting for her if she does run. I'm heavy into the Tea Party movement here too and it's anything but "racist". That is what the ultra-liberal left-wing news media here says because they're desperate to discredit the movement. There is a political revolt brewing here and gaining steam and they're scared shitless. "We the people" will not just shut up and go away like they thought we would. We're fed the F up.

[Ed Burns]

oh sorry luke but sarah palin got famous for saying that one liner that pitbull and lipstick thing but i love the way obama goes you can put lipstick on a pig its still a pig that shut her up

Actually it hardly shut her up, she's more vocal and in the news now than then. That statement by Obama was one thing though, incredibly rude and insulting. Showed what a F'ing asshole he is.

Palin will likely be running for president in 2012, and she'll have a good chance of winning. I for one will be voting for her if she does run. I'm heavy into the Tea Party movement here too and it's anything but "racist". That is what the ultra-liberal left-wing news media here says because they're desperate to discredit the movement. There is a political revolt brewing here and gaining steam and they're scared shitless. "We the people" will not just shut up and go away like they thought we would. We're fed the F up.

There's a poll up on MSNBC about Palin. 59% of the people polled said they believe that Sarah Palin will be ineffective as President. I think the Republican Party could do far better than Palin. The Poll's also posted in the New York Daily News. Here's a link for the poll:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... ng_to.html


I think Palin would embarrass herself in the White House. Being Governor of Alaska's one thing, using cleverly written speeches does not make a good President. There's several other Republicans that would make better Presidential Candidate than Palin.

Here's another reason why the Tea Party's gaining steam here in the U.S., and it's not due to Glenn Becks' rhetoric.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/83059 ... ouse-bills

Pretty sad how Partisan Politics are causing things to not get done. Some of the Bills are negligible, but some are not.

[DARTH NKO]

go on ed can i say Ed burns for prime minister what do you say ed?

[Ed Burns]

go on ed can i say Ed burns for prime minister what do you say ed?

That's a no...

I have enough going on here at the house. I'm not gonna go through the pressure cooker that is politics.
I'd rather do armchair politics, and discuss them from the comfort of my home.

[DARTH NKO]

thats a shame ed i would have voted for you

[DragonPlay]

A 60 Minutes/Vanity Fair poll? Are you kidding me? Their watchers/readers are ultra-liberals, of course they're against anything Palin or Republican. If you look at polls taken by non-partisan pollsters the numbers are quite different.

"The Hill" is another liberal publication. It's a shame to see how easy it is to trick people into believing their lies. All the Democrats have done since gaining control of the Senate and House is blame the Republicans for every failure. The fact is the Democrats outnumber the Republicans and can pass anything they want. The only reason any bills stall is because other Democrats are voting against them, not because of the Republicans. And maybe the reason the Republicans are voting against the bills is because all they are is more spending spending spending spending. Since taking office that moron Obama has tripled our national debt!

All Obama is is a good talker. He has no clue how to actually run anything because he never HAS run anything. Palin was a very successful Alaska Governor, pulling the state out of a financial crisis and creating jobs. And you can bet SHE won't go around the whole world apologizing for the U.S. and bowing to other world leaders like that traitor Obama has.

[Veritas]

A 60 Minutes/Vanity Fair poll? Are you kidding me? Their watchers/readers are ultra-liberals, of course they're against anything Palin or Republican. If you look at polls taken by non-partisan pollsters the numbers are quite different.

Usually when polls are run for an organization, they're run of neutral samples. The name (60 Minutes/Vanity Fair) usually refers to who hired the pollster. For instance, when you see "Fox News Poll", they usually didn't do the poll themselves; most likely they hired an external polling firm like Rasmussen, PPP, Daily Motion, etc. to check it out. Many state universities do polls as well. While I haven't read this poll, I would imagine they are of a neutral bias. If it's just a poll on a website, well, who gives a damn.

"The Hill" is another liberal publication. It's a shame to see how easy it is to trick people into believing their lies. All the Democrats have done since gaining control of the Senate and House is blame the Republicans for every failure. The fact is the Democrats outnumber the Republicans and can pass anything they want. The only reason any bills stall is because other Democrats are voting against them, not because of the Republicans. And maybe the reason the Republicans are voting against the bills is because all they are is more spending spending spending spending. Since taking office that moron Obama has tripled our national debt!

The Democrats outnumber the Republicans, yes. Why, you may ask? Because they won the 2008 election. People in 2008, more than half of them, decided they either didn't like what had come before or wanted what the Democrats were offering. As a result, the Democrats get to pass legislature they want. That's "democracy". That's how it works.

The Republicans vote against bills for many reasons, and yes, spending is a big part of it. But they have also voted against bills they have proposed in a partisan factor - for instance, a debt committee was proposed in part by several Republican senators, they got it through committee, and then voted it down on the floor. That's not "just because of spending". Besides, the Republicans don't mind spending themselves. Of the 11t. debt, about...3/4ths of it belong to Reagan, GHWB, and GWB.

And finally, please allow me to refute your assertion about the debt. When Barack Obama took office, the debt was 10t; it is now 12.3t (est.). That's not TRIPLING. That's increasing by 25%. And, historically, you're still not even close to as debt as you were during World War II; your %GDP is only barely above 60% - many countries run at 100%+, as the US did during WW2. There's no danger from running a large debt at this point, especially since the recession would have been worse without Obama's spending.

All Obama is is a good talker. He has no clue how to actually run anything because he never HAS run anything. Palin was a very successful Alaska Governor, pulling the state out of a financial crisis and creating jobs. And you can bet SHE won't go around the whole world apologizing for the U.S. and bowing to other world leaders like that traitor Obama has.

Obama ran a very good campaign, I'd say. He was also Senator. And executive experience isn't necessary to be a good president. I can think of several extremely good presidents who had no executive experience, headlined of course by one Abraham Lincoln. Palin wasn't actually that successful as a governor; she wasn't bad, but she wasn't superb. Running Alaska, however, is actually less difficult than being a US Senator, which is why governors of Alaska, historically, don't amount to much in the political scheme.

However, I will confess that I dislike her politics more than herself, and I don't like the ease with which she lies (death panels, anyone?) for political gain. Her interviews on the 2008 electoral trail scared the crap out of me (she didn't know what the Bush doctrine was?!), and showed she's not ready to be a president. Maybe if she has learned a lot in the meantime. But, for record, Mr. Obama remains a popular figure around the world, because he has talked to other leaders. And what's wrong with bowing? GHWB bowed to the Emperor of Japan. It's a polite way to say hello in many cultures that just looks weird because people don't understand those cultures.

[Ed Burns]

I've got a couple more links to post: And yes, Palin not knowing what the Bush Doctrine was, and several of her off the cuff quotes pretty much sealed her fate as a VP candidate. Believing she'll be effective as a President based solely off of the cleverly written speeches she's had recently, or that she's popular with Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck is a good joke. The same stalling that the Senate is doing now will happen if she was to get into Office in 2 years. Here's why:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/0 ... 80722.html

The Republicans are currently using the filibuster at a record pace in the Senate knowing the Democrats don't have the 60%, or 3 fifths vote to overturn it.... It's being blamed, or praised as the reason for Obamas' wilting agenda. There's no reason to believe that Democrats won't do the same if a good Republican like Mitt Romney, or much worse, Palin gets in Office.

Here's an exact list of the Bills currently stalled in the Senate:

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/83057-290-bills

As I've said, some of the Bills are quite negligble, but some are not as they enhance parameters for Small Businesses to get the funding they need to get things started.

Here's a link as to the entire History of the National Debt:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt


As for Obama bowing to World Leaders, sometimes a show of respect is seen as a show of weakness depending on who's interpreting it. If it's Glen Beck, then it's seen as weakness. If it's Keith Olbermann, it's respect.

Veritas, you might like these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtnE4C9Gv5U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5HgfwPt ... re=related

How about we rename this thread to "The BNP, and other Politics so we can expand the discussion from just one party?

[DARTH NKO]

Keith olbermann reminds me alot of Jeremy paxman and i agree with ed change the name of the thread

[Luke]

How about we rename this thread to "The BNP, and other Politics so we can expand the discussion from just one party?

That can be done. Can I make my own suggestion here, which is that in future, if people want to start having in depth discussions about something which doesn't really have anything to do with the current topic, can you please create a new topic - that's why we have the ability for you to all start new topic threads after all. This allows for more granular discussions around various subjects and prevents us from having really broad discussion topics which may end up just becoming a bit too general and confused.