Wrestling is in serious trouble

[DARTH NKO]

everything you said i agree with you wwe is going down hill vince has to do something new

[Insanity_X]

Wait, you mean like he alreade is on Raw with the Nexus? Try again.

ANd as I've said repeatedly, WWE isn't going down hill, isn't losing masses of viewers (although the ratings ARE much lower than they used to be, the vewer figues are actually fairly similar to AA figues owing to more people having cable) and isn't dying.

[BrownEyez]

The way I see it is, wrestling is in trouble because of the little to none territories. There isn't a wide variety for audience to choose from and for wrestlers to wrestle in. Sure you still have Japan and maybe a little in Mexico, but that's about it. There is something interesting about competition and variety, it makes the participants want to be at the top of their game, and come up with the better angle. If you only had Burger King and Wendy's to choose from, every single time you wanted to eat, you'd get tired of both selections. If my small opinion makes any sense.

[Ed Burns]

There's still territories in Wrestling. The NWA is actually still around, and they have various territories throughout the country. It's still like it was in the 80s. The only thing they lack is Ric Flair in his prime now. There's also companies like ROH Wrestling which has a small TV deal On HDnet TV. They have a weekly show which is very good. Check out YouTube for both. The thing about the industry is that WWE swallowed most of it up. TNA is somewhat better now too. There's always alternatives to WWE. You just have to look them up, and find them.

[Dark_Lady_18]

WWE seems to be going quite "up-and-down" for me. I've been finding myself lately skipping through matches on both Raw and Smackdown and just watching the speaking parts for anything interesting. And apart from a few things, like wondering if wwe would give the go-ahead for Cena to be fired (though this would probably only be storyline-wise), I can't say that i'm finding myself as enthusiastic about the company these days. TNA I rarely watch, and some of the stuff on there just baffles me. No wonder it gets shot down so much. I could be losing enthusiasm for wrestling, but i'm not certain.

[Ed Burns]

TNA's is like watching scatterbrain to me. They try to jam so much into the Impact taping, They have to explain it all on Reaction. They could do themselves a favor, and simplify everything, as Kurt Angle called it some 4 years ago. WWE could do well to write some more intricate storylines. Collusion Theories don't cross any boundaries outside of the PG Rating if they don't want them to. They could do those to keep people guessing. It would freshen things up some.

[wwecutie]

If it wasn't for Linda wanting to go for Senate, they probably wudn't be in the PG era. The Attitude Era probably wud've lasted a little bit longer. If you don't feel comfortable with your child (if under the age of 13) watching anything that has to do with blood or agressive as it used to be, then don't let the watch it. Don't take them to the events. You have the wrestlers who were the stars of the show, the stars who were bringing in the money and the audience retiring and becoming injury prone. You have HBK who retired, Undertaker who is getting close to retirement, and HHH who isn't getting any younger and is starting to seem injury prone. Then on top of that, you have WWE releasing ppl that shud not be relleased for example: Mickie James. You have Kelly Kelly who needs a hell of a lot of improvement, Gail Kim who isn't the way she used to be wen she was on WWE b4 going to TNA, you have LayCool who aren't all that great as a tag team let alone as single's competitors. Lita retired and so did Trish Stratus.

I agree that wen Vince says that he's not worried about UFC that he's lying about it. UFC is doing better. WWE is losing their audience while UFC is gaining audience. Dana White is barely doing anything and UFC is selling. Its like 'Here is the product.' and it sells. UFC is gaining ppl with talent. You have Brock Lesner who left WWE and went to UFC and has become Heavyweight Champion there. Bobby Lashley who was a power house in WWE went to UFC. Batista who is said to go into the MMA market. Then you have GSP, Caine Vasquez, Silva, Penn, Lidell and all those ppl who have talent.

WWE is losing their talent. The little amount of stars on the roster who have the most talent are not getting any younger and are getting closer each year to retirement and to becoming injury prone. Stop releasing ppl that shud not be released and sign ppl who have talent. And they need to stop making storylines that are just not interesting. Have new and refreshing storylines with different ppl. Not use the same wreslters as always. Like WWE needs to improve and they need to think about the fans as well. Not just how politics are gunna percieve the company.

[Knife]

Why are there so many beigeists in here?

[wwecutie]

Why are there so many beigeists in here?

its not that we're trying to be that way, it just that its the way that we feel about the situation. WWE is in trouble. It is losing audience, therefore it could lead to them losing money. UFC is gaining audience without Dana White really doing much and it still sells big and makes tons of money especially in the PPV events. WWE is losing its main stars with all the talent while UFC is gaining stars with talent.

[K. Hunter Lyon]

The Problem is the garbage kinds of storylines of RAW, Smackdown makes
great shows every friday... I repeat, the huge problem is RAW, And many mens of 20 or more
want relive the attitude era, but i see very far that way, The kids Grow up fast, and some wants
to see the attitude era or wish relive that moments.. So The fans also can be a reason...

Now raw is promo, promo, promo, a match of 5 minutes, another promo, promo
a match of 3 minutes finishing with DQ... "Meh, Please don't waste my time"...

The only raw what exciting me, was on the MSG, The spectacular
Main event of DX vs Jeri·Show vs Cena and Taker...

If Raw takes this kind of moments and expanding it, grand part of the problem will be
over, Superstars is only a waste of money and time, NXT was a good way to see great
new superstars... Kaval, Dainelson, Barret, Gabriel are good exaples..

[Ed Burns]

Actually, Raw's still WWE's marquee show on TV. I don't see any problems with Raw because the Ratings are generally consistent. I definitely like Raw better than Smackdown. Superstars is a show to also get the younger stars valuable TV exposure. It's almost like ECW on Sci-Fi before it was taken off. NXT's done. That's a shame. I liked NXT, although the Season 3 was awful. I don't see WWE being in any trouble at all, just as I don't see the Industry being in trouble at all either. It's still a definite cash cow.

[wwecutie]

It may still be a definite cash cow, with RAW still being a good show for the company and possibly better than Smackdown. But, at the same time, alot of people are wanting the Attitude Era to come back and there's kids who are growing up and want to see something different in the WWE. Things that are more exciting like the way it was in the Attitude Era. I know that era is a long way from coming back and probably won't even come back. But WWE needs something different. Something that's going to catch people's attention and keep their attention from beginning to end. Something that's gunna want to keep them tuning in week, after week to watch wrestling.

New storylines with different people. Storylines that make sense. Like the Undertaker-Kane storyline that WWE started over the summer. Yes it was bad the way that they started it, saying that Undertaker was in a "vegetative state" and Kane blaming people like Rey Mysterio who';s gunna need help from several others just to make that kind of damage to someone of Undertaker's size. But the way that the WWE had those two playing out that storyline once Taker came back, was something that probably cou;d've been worth watching had the Undertaker not have to be out as long as he has to due to surgery or sumthing of that nature.

As for NXT, its good. It lest us have exposure to some of the new talent. But with NXT going to its new home, WWE.com, not alot of ppl are gunna go online at that time of night to watch it. Alot of ppl perfer it being on SCI-FI like it used to. Superstarts could allow them to get more face time, but not alot of ppl watch it. Its been said and proved that at one point, the ratings have gone down.

So at the end of it all, whose fault is it really?

[Ed Burns]

Raw's definitely better than Smackdown. Don't let the fact that Taker's on Smackdown cloud over your judgment. People like to complain about Raw, that there's too many promos, but people forget that Raw, and Smackdown's sole purpose is to build towards the PPV of the month. The PG Era isn't a bad thing, provided the writers come up with compelling material. Don't always expect the undercard to contain compelling entertainment value either. The undercard in most cases is for the young performers to show their skills, and talents in-ring, rather than what type of storyline they're in. As for the content aspect, the Attitude Era was edgy, and good for material, but as IX has said over and over, Smackdown was Rated PG at the height of the Attitude Era.

They do come up with new storylines featuring new stars, but people just don't accept them because they;
a.) Don't feel the characters are interesting enough, or don't know the characters.
b.) Don't give the storyline a chance.
c.) Get bored easily with just a Wrestling match as the storyline building point, and, little to no Backstory to it at all.

Having an injury list with Taker, HHH, and recently, Orton, and Mysterio on it doesn't help matters either. Those are some big names they're missing. Having Chris Jericho on hiatus also doesn't help either. Yet, with those names missing, the WWE has bounced back by creating Nexus, pushing Wade Barrett, and allowing Miz to grow, and excel into a strong new Main Event star. At this point, Miz is starting to get around outside the ring in the mainstream market. He hosted TMZ last week. That's a good way to push a new face to the Main Event, and into the mainstream public. Public appearances will always help a newer character to the Main Event, in getting more publicity, and notoriety out in the mainstream. Miz deserves it too. Now people are getting to know him outside of WWE, which will make him a bigger draw. The WWE's best move in the last 6 months, aside from giving Wade Barrett a huge push, and creating Nexus, was giving The Miz a chance at the Main Event. Miz will deliver on that chance too.

If you want to assess blame for that, then it's squarely on the fans. Sure WWE drops some turds for storylines, or even matches. The Mascot vs. Hornswoggle was a piece of crap last night on Smackdown. Yet, Kaval/Swagger was quite good, as was Kofi/Mr. Ziggles, but since it's a lower match on the card, it doesn't get nearly the credit it's due. It's not WWE's fault that nobody's talking about a genuinely good match. They don't always need to come up with storylines to garner the casual fans' attention, and adulation for a match with little to no backstory build, especially when it comes to the Undercard. Those matches are more for the purist wrestling fans, who watch the shows more for the wrestling, and less for the Entertainment. People can say WWE's in trouble, or the industry is, but according to what I've seen it's doing just fine.

[Insanity_X]

Not quite Ed. Heitaker was a stupid dick, Gigi is just plain stupid.

[Nick]

Not quite Ed. Heitaker was a stupid dick, Gigi is just plain stupid.

Heitaker? I'm lost, a fellow PF member?

[Ed Burns]

Not quite Ed. Heitaker was a stupid dick, Gigi is just plain stupid.

Heitaker? I'm lost, a fellow PF member?

I originally made the comment on another topic that was a ridiculous Topic in General Chat. Here it is.
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=9765

This is an example of Heitaker, and his inane stupidity, and ignorance at it's best. Luke left the topic open back then so that people can see it when they read comments about Heitaker when they pop up from time to time.

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=7164

After you read Heitaker's post Nick, step away from the computer, and douse your head with cold water, and hope that Heitaker's stupidity doesn't eat away at your Brain cells.

[Nick]

Not quite Ed. Heitaker was a stupid dick, Gigi is just plain stupid.

Heitaker? I'm lost, a fellow PF member?

I originally made the comment on another topic that was a ridiculous Topic in General Chat. Here it is.
http://www.phenomforever.com/fanforum/v ... f=9&t=9765

This is an example of Heitaker, and his inane stupidity, and ignorance at it's best. Luke left the topic open back then so that people can see it when they read comments about Heitaker when they pop up from time to time.

http://www.phenomforever.com/fanforum/v ... f=9&t=7164

After you read Heitaker's post Nick, step away from the computer, and douse your head with cold water, and hope that Heitaker's stupidity doesn't eat away at your Brain cells.

I could just barely make out what he's saying. The fact he was using stupiditys in like every sentence that included the word idiot, makes me wonder how he managed to put a misspelled insult next to another insult. What a flaming no-headed(wink-wink) bitch.

What in the... nevermind. I'm going to bed, my head hurts.

[Ed Burns]

:smt067 I could just barely make out what he's saying. The fact he was using stupiditys in like every sentence that included the word idiot, makes me wonder how he managed to put a misspelled insult next to another insult. What a flaming no-headed(wink-wink) bitch.

What in the... nevermind. I'm going to bed, my head hurts.

I figured your head would hurt after trying to read that hot mess. It's a wonder that he lasted as long as he did here in the Forums. They probably let him stay on so IX can destroy him in print just for kicks.

[Insanity_X]

Ed, if I were the only person who ripped Heitaker a new one he wouldn't have left. Before me he claimed Dragonplay (a former mod and art graduate) knew nothing about art because she likes Harry Potter and had a "heated dispute" with Luke long before he took pleasure in Cena's injury.

Simply put, the mods are very liberal here. For the most part that's a good thing. If they weren't I'd have been long gone but when there are posters who are nothing more than cunts (e.g. Heitaker and Hitman) or morons who never learn (e.g. deadboy) tend to outlive their welcome. Thankfully the community is small enough that very few morons come. If jackasses were more common we'd either have stricter mods or a shithole like the WWEUniverse forum. The system works though.

[Ed Burns]

I understand that, but you ripped him up pretty hard whenever he posted. If I remember correctly on page 3 of this topic:
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=7152&start=40

That's why I used your rebuttals to him as an example. There's a lot of people on here now, who weren't on here when Heitaker posted, and some of the other members that responded back then, aren't active anymore. The current users know you IX, and not them. I agree that the mods are very liberal here too. There's really nothing that's all that offensive in your posts to get me offended. It's honesty in my view. If it needs to be said, then somebody should say it, and not sugarcoat it.

If I write shit, then it's best for somebody to tell me it's shit. I'd rather have somebody tell me it's shit than say it's not. Thankfully this place isn't like the WWE Universe either. The WWE Universe Site's being taken down after tonight. I think it's because of the morons they had over there. That site's Moderation was shit. I had a Forums account there for a while, and the wrestling threads were garbage. I only talked in the NFL threads there. If jackasses were more common here, then I'd wind up getting banned here.