Edge Face Turn?

[Jack]

Okay, so we know that Edge returned at the Rumble and Eliminated Jericho first.But is he a face now?.Or will he still stay heel for Mania.i'd honestly want to see a face Edge for once,He's not been face since 2004.
Also who think's Edge's new look is awesome?

[Ed Burns]

He's being positioned as a face now. His spearing Sheamus garnered a ton of cheers last night, despite the mixed reaction he got as the promo started.

[Lizifer]

He's being positioned as a face now. His spearing Sheamus garnered a ton of cheers last night, despite the mixed reaction he got as the promo started.

Well, as far as his promo was going, it seemed like same 'ol Edge holding on to his title of Ultimate Opportunist and it still sounded 'heel-ish', but yeah, after the spear on Sheamus, it looked less 'heel-ish' and more just focused on Edge's tactic's.

I missed Crazy Face. :] Good to see him in the ring again, even if he were to stay heel.

[Devil's Advocate]

I wonder if he'll kind of do the Beth Phoenix thing and be 'tweener. It's hard to imagine him as a face : he makes such a freakin' awesome heel --definitely one of the current best in WWE.

[Ed Burns]

Edge is a face. The Cutting Edge featured Jericho, and Punk cutting promos on Edge not deserving to win the Rumble, and that they can beat Taker at Mania, to which Taker appeared, and cleaned house with the help of Edge, according to a very undetailed Smackdown Spoiler report.

[Veritas]

Nice, that's the best way to give Edge the face is to put him on the side of the Undertaker.

Completely unrelated, but the Sheamus/Orton feud has given Orton a tweener turn for a bit. I doubt it'll last but it's interesting that the WWE prefers Orton to Sheamus. Suggests 2 things:

1) WWE fans are xenophobic tards
2) Most people who watch now are pro-Cena, meaning they despise Sheamus for beating Cena more recently than Orton.

Interesting thoughts.

[Knife]

Depends, when Cena get's pops it's more or less a very high tone of pops suggesting 2 things

1. They are all kids.

2. Mostly women and castrated men.

The most obvious one is nr. 2, but I have allso seen a couple of kids with Cena merchandise. Besides I dont know how mutch Cena wants middleaged castrated men cheering him.



But frankly who gives a shit, the biggest star in WWE after Taker is back.

[HowOldIsOldSchool]

It's hardly a surprise Sheamus gets more boos than Orton. It's not because WWE fans hate Irish people. Randy Orton has been getting tweenerish pops for a year now. His gimmick is likely more appealing to the fans than Sheamus'. Personally looking strictly from the point of view of who I'd want to beat the other I'd have been cheering for Randy Orton too. But looking from the point of view of who I'd want to be champion, the only way I'd want Orton to be Champion so soon after losing it is should they turn him face. Regarding Edge though, I'm VERY excited for his return. I personally I am looking forward to him being a babyface now. It looks like there might be some fans who aren't used to cheering him yet but if Triple H has been face for almost 4 years now, I'm certain he could be too. Admitedly we don't know how long he'll stay babyface, but I think he's gotten a little bit stale after being a heel since late 04. This also opens up new possibilities for fresh and semi-fresh feuds.

[Veritas]

Okay, don't give me that crap that WWE fans aren't xenophobic. All you need to do is bust out a guy who's from overseas and you get chants of "USA! USA! USA!" They've been pushing Sheamus (and to a lesser extent, Drew McIntyre) as "other", Irish, creating a dialogue of different. It comes right down to the way Sheamus's skin tone and hair are accented - because they want him physically different to Orton, Cena, HHH, etc.

Orton is popular because he's extremely talented, but that doesn't mean he's getting a big tweener pop - he got it simply because of his opponent. Put him against a real tweener (Undertaker) and we know who gets the pops and who gets the boos.

And everyone here knows that Edge is pretty much my favourite wrestler saving Taker, so obviously I'm pumped for this. He's pretty much the best on the mic of anyone they have, and his in-ring skills are superb. He was a magnificent heel, but he'll be a magnificent face as well.

[HowOldIsOldSchool]

I never said WWE fans aren't often Xenophobic but Sheamus isn't a character that is a "foreign heel". He's just a heel that happens to be a Irishman. He isn't somehow who goes on about the evils of America or refuses to accept the glory of the USA, or perhaps threatens their notions of patriotism. He's just a meanie. Edge is a Canadian. There have been many Canadians that fit the bill of a "foreign heel" but He was never a heel that made where he was from an issue. I think if this was something that occurred to the fans they would have been mindlessly chanting "USA! USA!" Instead of "Lets Go Orton!"
Because as well all know, foreign heels are INFURIATED by chanting those 3 letters, even if they are American citizens themselves (Muhammad Hassan) or wrestling other foreigners (Yokozhuna vs Bret Hart.

Orton did get small pops even early in 2009. When he captured the WWE Title from Triple H and punted him out, Triple H got a tiny bit of a "Na na na na, na na na na, Hey hey hey, Goodbye" chant.

[AFBN]

yeah its pretty safe to say he's a face or at least he will be but I think on RAW he was a tweener but I think he'll end up being a face because he's been a heel forever. Don't get me wrong he was the best heel the last 4-5 years but he's also a good face so we should see more to his character also. If anything Edge will definitely be a face especially if he faces Jericho and as the face Rated R Superstar he'd have a good program with CM Punk.

[Devil's Advocate]

Okay, don't give me that crap that WWE fans aren't xenophobic. All you need to do is bust out a guy who's from overseas and you get chants of "USA! USA! USA!" They've been pushing Sheamus (and to a lesser extent, Drew McIntyre) as "other", Irish, creating a dialogue of different..

I think "xenophobic" is a bit too extreme a word here. Yes, Sheamus is different, but he also happens to be a cocky heel who beat a face. Yes, a number of people don't like Cena, but a number still do. So it's not surprising that the guy who's facing the guy who beat the face would get some cheers. And also, if Sheamus is the clear heel, it also makes sense that RKO might get some tweener cheers. What is the crowd supposed to do -- boo both guys? I don't think funky booking should be used as an excuse to describe people as a having a "phobia". At the Olympics, whatever country they are being held in, the fans there cheer more heartily for their own athletes than they do for foreigners. Why? Because one is "your" team and the other isn't. It doesn't necessarily mean you hate foreigners. Unless you're defining "xenophobia" merely as a preference for people you percieve to be from your own country, in which case I would then agree that yes, they are xenophobic, but that they are far from unique in being so.
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[Knife]

I think "xenophobic" is a bit too extreme a word here.

So how come everytime a foreign superstar gets in the ring or have a match (unless they really talk sweet about america) get's the USA chant...WWE loves it tho anyway. I dont really give a shit tho. It's like that everywere. But saying their not xenophobic is abit naive.

[Insanity_X]

Their Manic love of their contry overrides their Xenophobia. Americans can only keep track of one nationality based feeling at a time.

[Devil's Advocate]

I think "xenophobic" is a bit too extreme a word here.

So how come everytime a foreign superstar gets in the ring or have a match (unless they really talk sweet about america) get's the USA chant...WWE loves it tho anyway. I dont really give a shit tho. It's like that everywere. But saying their not xenophobic is abit naive.

No I would say saying they are xenophobic is a bit naive. If you mean foreign in terms of character, then aren't the fans kind of supposed to be doing that? Maybe they're just un-creative and can't think what else to do for a heel who isn't 'native'. If you mean foreign in terms of real life, I don't really think foreign superstars get USA chants EVERY time they get in the ring. Finlay, for example, is Irish and beloved. I have little doubt that when Sheamus turns face, as he no doubt will sometime in the future if he stays w/ the company long enough, he'll get cheers, same as any other face and no USA chants.

Lastly, IX, thank you for extending the "xenophobic" assignation to all Americans, instead of just WWE fans. I'm glad it was you, so there's no need for anyone to take offense.

[Knife]

Well a beloved superstar can get away with nearly anything. Any new superstar who is not from the USA will get USA chants if they are face or not.

[HowOldIsOldSchool]

Really? When did Yoshi Tatsu or Finley or The Great Khali or Natalya or Sheamus get those?

[Knife]

Really? When did Yoshi Tatsu or Finley or The Great Khali or Natalya or Sheamus get those?

Yoshi is the typical overpolite forigen face, so thats not a good example. Canadians usually dont get USA chants unless they are anti USA, I dunno why. Khali did get some USA chants in the beginning of hes face turn. Finely??? Who the fuck knows I dont think I have ever seen hes beginning.

[3XtremeTaker]

My example would be Tajiri. I'm sure he got SOME USA chants in his time, but he wasn't really an overpolite foreigner, he just got cheered for because he was good. I wouldn't say Xenophobia, I'd just say over-patriotism. If the WWE comes to Ireland and broadcasts RAW from there, Sheamus would get cheered. Regal would get cheered in the UK. HBK gets booed in Canada. It's patriotism, and I actually quite like it!!

As far as Edge goes, I really like him as a face. I think he's a BRILLIANT heel, but there's only so far that a heel can go before becoming same-old-same-old, and I think since Edge has been the same kind of heel for nearly 6 years now, a face turn would be a welcome change. I used to LOVE him as a face, especially in 2002 during his feud with Kurt Angle. If we saw a return of THAT kind of Edge, with a renewed intensity, but a talent for cutting hilarious promos, then It could be fantastic, and just what the WWE needs.

[Ed Burns]

Based on what I've seen since his return, I'd say he's playing the tweener role right now. You can tell he's not a full fledged face yet, but he's also not a full fledged heel now either. He seems to have taken on a calm intensity type role too. You can see it in his promos that his character has changed to a calmer more calculating style of character now. i like the current feel of his character because it leaves the door open for him to be the heel in some situations, while he can be the face in others. One major thing I've also noticed, is he's still the glue that holds Smackdown together now. It's MUCH better with him back on it.