Brand Extension to end?

[AFBN]

Dave Meltzer is reporting that after WWE first received the 2.5 RAW rating last week, there was serious panic at WWE headquarters. One idea that was being tossed around at the time was to combine the RAW, ECW and SmackDown rosters and do away with the tri-branded formats. Nothing will probably come of this, but the idea was being tossed around. Either way, expect WWE to somewhat start all over tomorrow night on RAW.

good God is this true can Vince and WWE finally be realizing that this current product is shit. I thank all the people that turned off their TV's this monday because it slapped Vince and the creative team in the face hopefully they realize we aren't happy with what they're giving us and we finally won't have our intelligence insulted week in week out. Now when people argue about how WWE is so awesome they're probably gonna have a reason now so congrats to the newbie fans because you might finally have a reason outside of the veterans on why the WWE is awesome I'm not gonna watch RAW this monday I'm going to read the spoilers to see how it goes if it goes well maybe just maybe there might be a chance WWE will become watchable again, the past 2 years(with the exception of Taker,HHH,HBK,Edge and Kane)has sucked and now its the worst its ever been hopefully Vince now realizes his company is down the shitter hopefully now the WWE will save themselves do a better job at booking

whats your opinion?

[KingBooker]

LOOOL this is fucking simple


Take the title of Cena!

People are goin to tna because of him. WWE is loosing fans cuz of Cena

[AFBN]

LOOOL this is fucking simple


Take the title of Cena!

People are goin to tna because of him. WWE is loosing fans cuz of Cena

its not just Cena its their writing and booking that has been atrocious as well where as TNA although they don't have the best storylines their matches still kick major ass unlike WWE where you see a bad storyline and terrible match thats the reason why disgruntled fans like myself are supporting TNA because we want to help TNA become competition to WWE so WWE can regain they're focus. so people want my reason for supporting TNA there it is

[nekropunx88]

God please let them end the brand extension. It would be better if they did, maybe that way they will get better people in the title picture.

[Creatureofthenightuk]

Doubt it will happen. If you ask me you should have two shows.
The cream of the crop show as Raw
and the developmental era for Smackdown or another one hours show.

Reason I doubt it will happen is simple. Three brands means more money for WWE and that is all they care about, money. And Trust me WWE will never go under, but it will take them to come pretty close to make things right imo. Just like in 97 when they were nearly dead they brought in the "attitue era" *sighs* how I miss those days.

[AFBN]

Just like in 97 when they were nearly dead they brought in the "attitue era" *sighs* how I miss those days.

hence the reason we support competition

[BoogerRedsGirl]

I have waited several years for even the slightest bit of consideration from the WWE to abolish the brand extension albeit I must side with Creatureofthenightuk. The brand extension may not be completely abolished: RAW and SmackDown! should remain separate entities but ECW MUST go.

Let's face facts folks: The ECW brand has run its course; it is barely hanging by a thread what with the abysmal ratings and backlash (primarily from fans of the original ECW) that it has received since its nascence. The "brand", if you can label it as such, is literally riding on the coattails of the SmackDown! brand. So what is the point of expending monetary resources to a brand that cannot stand on its own two feet like RAW and SmackDown! can?

Anyway, I have put a lot of thought into the decisions that I would enact If I were Vince McMahon. These are what they are thus far:

- Maintain the perception of Monday Night RAW as the brand for well-established superstars and SmackDown! as a largely developmental brand. Expect to see wrestlers such as The Undertaker, Batista, Kane, Edge, and Matt Hardy transferred to Monday Night RAW.

- Disband the ECW brand entirely and transfer that brand's "credible" talent to SmackDown! while releasing "dead weight" talent Expect to see wrestlers such as Elijah Burke, CM Punk, John Morrison, and Kevin Thorn transferred to SmackDown! while the following talent will be released: Balls Mahoney, Big Daddy V, The Boogeyman, Brooke, Kelly Kelly, Layla Nunzio, and Tommy Dreamer)

- Release "dead weight" talent from Monday Night Raw and SmackDown! The following RAW talent will be released: Val Venis, Snitsky and The Sandman. The following Smackdown! talent will be released: The Great Khali, Mark Henry, Dave Taylor, Eugene, Funaki, Hardcore Holly, Chuck Palumbo, Torrie Wilson, Michelle McCool and Ashley

- Remove some legendary figures from their respective brands. Expect Hacksaw Jim Duggan and Dusty Rhodes from RAW and Ric Flair from SmackDown! to "retire" from an on-air capacity. Duggan and Rhodes will remain as members of the WWE's Legends Program. Assuming that he has not been added to it already, Ric Flair will "inducted" into said program.

- Make the Women's, Tag Team, and Cruiserweight divisions credible sub-divisions

I believe that the fair approach to the Women's Division is to make it both a RAW and SmackDown! attraction. "Dead weight" talent would be released (i.e., Michelle McCool, Kelly Kelly, Brooke, Layla, Torrie Wilson and Ashley) and convince Trish Stratus and Lita to return to in-ring action. I would not even consider holding another Divas Search contest again, ugh. Thus far, the following talent will make up the Women's Division: Beth Phoenix, Candice Michelle, Melina, Maria, Jillian (abolish her abysmal "Britney Spears" character), Mickie James, Trish Stratus, Lita and Victoria

Like the Women's Division, I decided to make the Tag Team Division both a RAW and SmackDown! attraction. Thus far, the following talent will make up the Tag Team Division: Cryme Tyme (JTG and Shad), The World's Greatest Tag Team (Shelton Benjamin and Charlie Haas), The Highlanders (Rory McAllister and Robbie McAllister) and Lance Cade and Trevor Murdoch (Release Deuce n' Domino and Cherry or least retool their gimmic)

As for the Cruiserweight Division, I decided to make it an exclusive SmackDown! attraction and model it after that of the WCW's. Thus far, the following talent will make up the Cruiserweight division: Brian Kendrick, Paul London (Note: Kendrick and London are now singles competitors), Super Crazy, Rey Mysterio, Jimmy Wang Yang (needs a new gimmick though), Jamie Noble, and Shannon Moore

Whew, well that's what I'd do thus far. Once I think of some more ideas, I'll add them to this post.

Booger Red's Girl

[team phenom]

LOOOL this is fucking simple


Take the title of Cena!

People are goin to tna because of him. WWE is loosing fans cuz of Cena

People are not leaving because of Cena, his a good wrestler with loads of skill.

They should not end the brands, they should just lose ECW share there wrestlers out to Smackdown and Raw then work on them two shows that will make WWE better, WWE needs to end ECW because its a dieing product and Raw and Smackdown is WWE so they should stay with there set wrestlers.

[nekropunx88]

I have waited several years for even the slightest bit of consideration from the WWE to abolish the brand extension albeit I must side with Creatureofthenightuk. The brand extension may not be completely abolished: RAW and SmackDown! should remain separate entities but ECW MUST go.

Let's face facts folks: The ECW brand has run its course; it is barely hanging by a thread what with the abysmal ratings and backlash (primarily from fans of the original ECW) that it has received since its nascence. The "brand", if you can label it as such, is literally riding on the coattails of the SmackDown! brand. So what is the point of expending monetary resources to a brand that cannot stand on its own two feet like RAW and SmackDown! can?

Anyway, I have put a lot of thought into the decisions that I would enact If I were Vince McMahon. These are what they are thus far:

- Maintain the perception of Monday Night RAW as the brand for well-established superstars and SmackDown! as a largely developmental brand. Expect to see wrestlers such as The Undertaker, Batista, Kane, Edge, and Matt Hardy transferred to Monday Night RAW.

- Disband the ECW brand entirely and transfer that brand's "credible" talent to SmackDown! while releasing "dead weight" talent Expect to see wrestlers such as Elijah Burke, CM Punk, John Morrison, and Kevin Thorn transferred to SmackDown! while the following talent will be released: Balls Mahoney, Big Daddy V, The Boogeyman, Brooke, Kelly Kelly, Layla Nunzio, and Tommy Dreamer)

- Release "dead weight" talent from Monday Night Raw and SmackDown! The following RAW talent will be released: Val Venis, Snitsky and The Sandman. The following Smackdown! talent will be released: The Great Khali, Mark Henry, Dave Taylor, Eugene, Funaki, Hardcore Holly, Chuck Palumbo, Torrie Wilson, Michelle McCool and Ashley

- Remove some legendary figures from their respective brands. Expect Hacksaw Jim Duggan and Dusty Rhodes from RAW and Ric Flair from SmackDown! to "retire" from an on-air capacity. Duggan and Rhodes will remain as members of the WWE's Legends Program. Assuming that he has not been added to it already, Ric Flair will "inducted" into said program.

- Make the Women's, Tag Team, and Cruiserweight divisions credible sub-divisions

I believe that the fair approach to the Women's Division is to make it both a RAW and SmackDown! attraction. "Dead weight" talent would be released (i.e., Michelle McCool, Kelly Kelly, Brooke, Layla, Torrie Wilson and Ashley) and convince Trish Stratus and Lita to return to in-ring action. I would not even consider holding another Divas Search contest again, ugh. Thus far, the following talent will make up the Women's Division: Beth Phoenix, Candice Michelle, Melina, Maria, Jillian (abolish her abysmal "Britney Spears" character), Mickie James, Trish Stratus, Lita and Victoria

Like the Women's Division, I decided to make the Tag Team Division both a RAW and SmackDown! attraction. Thus far, the following talent will make up the Tag Team Division: Cryme Tyme (JTG and Shad), The World's Greatest Tag Team (Shelton Benjamin and Charlie Haas), The Highlanders (Rory McAllister and Robbie McAllister) and Lance Cade and Trevor Murdoch (Release Deuce n' Domino and Cherry or least retool their gimmic)

As for the Cruiserweight Division, I decided to make it an exclusive SmackDown! attraction and model it after that of the WCW's. Thus far, the following talent will make up the Cruiserweight division: Brian Kendrick, Paul London (Note: Kendrick and London are now singles competitors), Super Crazy, Rey Mysterio, Jimmy Wang Yang (needs a new gimmick though), Jamie Noble, and Shannon Moore

Whew, well that's what I'd do thus far. Once I think of some more ideas, I'll add them to this post.

Booger Red's Girl

Wow, you should work for the WWE, all this sounds like a better idea than ending the brands, now I like ECW but it's not as good as RAW and it's sister brand Smackdown, it should be ended. And YES they should get rid of some of the "dead weight" to make the Women's division credible again. and they should just get rid of the 'dead weight" *more specifically Mark Henry and Khali*

[BoogerRedsGirl]

Wow, you should work for the WWE

Thank you nekropunx88. I am planning on faxing the post with my ideas to Vince McMahon once his paternity suit dies down, lol.

I probably could work for the WWE, though. There is no doubt in my mind that I have more creativity in my pinky finger than the entire WWE Creative team combined

Booger Red's Girl

[AFBN]

to be honest I think the current "superstars" like Cena,Lashley and Batista are ham and eggers they aren't going to be household names I think its time we give CM Punk,Kennedy and MVP a try maybe they have the "it" factor their predecessors didn't so I say end the brand extension take those ham and eggers off the main event put them back in the mid-card and give these younger stars a try where these others have obviously failed.
p.s. Ham and egger is term coined by Bobby Heenan referring to unskilled wrestlers or jobbers

[KingBooker]

I think Lashely, is a good wrestler with a lot of talent. However WWE are pushing him to much, to early in his carrer, in my mind only for the musscles and biceps

[AFBN]

exactly because they pushed him too early he's gonna flop and WWE is gonna keep repackaging him but its gonna keep failing to get him over

[KingBooker]

Its so simple for wwe to be great again.. but they just dont listan, and still choose to toss around recycled ideas and chidish ones

[TheRobin]

BRG, you and i are on the same page. almost all of your ideas, I've thought about more than once. Get rid of dead weight wrestlers! Get rid of stupid divas who only want to be strippers. And for gods sake get rid of Extremely Crappy Wrestling!!!

WWE has completely KILLED the Womens' Div. when good women's talent was around, Lita and Trish, the belt meant something. Now we've got "talent" like Maria, Mickie James, and McCool, WTF!

I don;t like the fact that the Tag Titles are separate, let's gets them back together for some NEW Tag title bouts!

And for MY sake, get rid of Duggan and Rhodes, I cannot stand to see them "wrestle". The Orton/Rhodes "match" damn there killed me!


WTF was up with them putting Snitsky on Raw, If I were in the audience, I'd use his ring time to go to the restroom, I'd rather watch rikishi take a shit than watch Snitsky wrestle. Ugh!!!

[Dante]

I have waited several years for even the slightest bit of consideration from the WWE to abolish the brand extension albeit I must side with Creatureofthenightuk. The brand extension may not be completely abolished: RAW and SmackDown! should remain separate entities but ECW MUST go.

Let's face facts folks: The ECW brand has run its course; it is barely hanging by a thread what with the abysmal ratings and backlash (primarily from fans of the original ECW) that it has received since its nascence. The "brand", if you can label it as such, is literally riding on the coattails of the SmackDown! brand. So what is the point of expending monetary resources to a brand that cannot stand on its own two feet like RAW and SmackDown! can?

Anyway, I have put a lot of thought into the decisions that I would enact If I were Vince McMahon. These are what they are thus far:

- Maintain the perception of Monday Night RAW as the brand for well-established superstars and SmackDown! as a largely developmental brand. Expect to see wrestlers such as The Undertaker, Batista, Kane, Edge, and Matt Hardy transferred to Monday Night RAW.

- Disband the ECW brand entirely and transfer that brand's "credible" talent to SmackDown! while releasing "dead weight" talent Expect to see wrestlers such as Elijah Burke, CM Punk, John Morrison, and Kevin Thorn transferred to SmackDown! while the following talent will be released: Balls Mahoney, Big Daddy V, The Boogeyman, Brooke, Kelly Kelly, Layla Nunzio, and Tommy Dreamer)

- Release "dead weight" talent from Monday Night Raw and SmackDown! The following RAW talent will be released: Val Venis, Snitsky and The Sandman. The following Smackdown! talent will be released: The Great Khali, Mark Henry, Dave Taylor, Eugene, Funaki, Hardcore Holly, Chuck Palumbo, Torrie Wilson, Michelle McCool and Ashley

- Remove some legendary figures from their respective brands. Expect Hacksaw Jim Duggan and Dusty Rhodes from RAW and Ric Flair from SmackDown! to "retire" from an on-air capacity. Duggan and Rhodes will remain as members of the WWE's Legends Program. Assuming that he has not been added to it already, Ric Flair will "inducted" into said program.

- Make the Women's, Tag Team, and Cruiserweight divisions credible sub-divisions

I believe that the fair approach to the Women's Division is to make it both a RAW and SmackDown! attraction. "Dead weight" talent would be released (i.e., Michelle McCool, Kelly Kelly, Brooke, Layla, Torrie Wilson and Ashley) and convince Trish Stratus and Lita to return to in-ring action. I would not even consider holding another Divas Search contest again, ugh. Thus far, the following talent will make up the Women's Division: Beth Phoenix, Candice Michelle, Melina, Maria, Jillian (abolish her abysmal "Britney Spears" character), Mickie James, Trish Stratus, Lita and Victoria

Like the Women's Division, I decided to make the Tag Team Division both a RAW and SmackDown! attraction. Thus far, the following talent will make up the Tag Team Division: Cryme Tyme (JTG and Shad), The World's Greatest Tag Team (Shelton Benjamin and Charlie Haas), The Highlanders (Rory McAllister and Robbie McAllister) and Lance Cade and Trevor Murdoch (Release Deuce n' Domino and Cherry or least retool their gimmic)

As for the Cruiserweight Division, I decided to make it an exclusive SmackDown! attraction and model it after that of the WCW's. Thus far, the following talent will make up the Cruiserweight division: Brian Kendrick, Paul London (Note: Kendrick and London are now singles competitors), Super Crazy, Rey Mysterio, Jimmy Wang Yang (needs a new gimmick though), Jamie Noble, and Shannon Moore

Whew, well that's what I'd do thus far. Once I think of some more ideas, I'll add them to this post.

Booger Red's Girl

i agree with almost all of your points your ideas are realy good except i wouldnt drop dreamer i do not consider him dead weight if hes used the right way

and to be honest drop the womens division its a waist of time and money....i dont want "porn" when i watch wwe

[#1takerfan]

You can't release Val Venis and Eugene, BoogerReds. They are both very very good wrestlers. You just don't realize it because they barely wrestle. Torrie Wilson and Michelle McCool are also very good wrestlers. I agree with some of what you said but you can't release these wrestlers.

[BoogerRedsGirl]

You can't release Val Venis and Eugene, BoogerReds. They are both very very good wrestlers. You just don't realize it because they barely wrestle. Torrie Wilson and Michelle McCool are also very good wrestlers. I agree with some of what you said but you can't release these wrestlers.

It's my 'dream' #1takerfan. I can release whomever I wish, LOL. Oh, and I have a "Girl" at the end of my screen name.

And before I take my leave, did you put Torrie Wilson and Michelle McCool and good wrestlers in the same sentence? Whoa, THAT's a stretch. They're horrible in the ring. Now Trish Stratus, Victoria, Beth Phoenix, Mickie James. These are women who CAN wrestle. I dare not place Wilson and McCool in the same category. It would be insult to the four women that I previously mentioned.

Val Venis and Eugene, "very, very good wrestlers"? That's questionable. Perhaps they're good, but their gimmicks bore me to tears. Venis' porn star gimmick has run its course as has Eugene's "special" gimmick. They both served their appropriate purpose as Chief (Sean) Morley and "the special nephew" Eugene when Eric Bischoff was around. But since his absence, they haven't really done anything to impress me. Now, I would just release Venis entirely. Eugene should go as well but I would consider repackaging Dinsmore with another gimmick. But how can he recover from his former, god-awful Eugene character? Poor guy.

Booger Red's Girl

[#1takerfan]

You can't release Val Venis and Eugene, BoogerReds. They are both very very good wrestlers. You just don't realize it because they barely wrestle. Torrie Wilson and Michelle McCool are also very good wrestlers. I agree with some of what you said but you can't release these wrestlers.

It's my 'dream' #1takerfan. I can release whomever I wish, LOL. Oh, and I have a "Girl" at the end of my screen name.

And before I take my leave, did you put Torrie Wilson and Michelle McCool and good wrestlers in the same sentence? Whoa, THAT's a stretch. They're horrible in the ring. Now Trish Stratus, Victoria, Beth Phoenix, Mickie James. These are women who CAN wrestle. I dare not place Wilson and McCool in the same category. It would be insult to the four women that I previously mentioned.

Val Venis and Eugene, "very, very good wrestlers"? That's questionable. Perhaps they're good, but their gimmicks bore me to tears. Venis' porn star gimmick has run its course as has Eugene's "special" gimmick. They both served their appropriate purpose as Chief (Sean) Morley and "the special nephew" Eugene when Eric Bischoff was around. But since his absence, they haven't really done anything to impress me. Now, I would just release Venis entirely. Eugene should go as well but I would consider repackaging Dinsmore with another gimmick. But how can he recover from his former, god-awful Eugene character? Poor guy.

Booger Red's Girl

I know you have Girl in the end of your name, I just shortened it so I don't take so long to type. If they give Eugene and Val Venis the right gimmicks, then you'll see how good they are. You just want to release them because of their gimmicks.

[BoogerRedsGirl]

I know you have Girl in the end of your name, I just shortened it so I don't take so long to type. If they give Eugene and Val Venis the right gimmicks, then you'll see how good they are.

To make things easier for you, just call me BRG. As for Eugene and Venis, that's the whole point of me changing their respective gimmicks: to see them at their full potential.

Booger Red's Girl