Yet another superstar released

[3XtremeTaker]

I guess the releases might be considered not only a way of stopping the company being liable, but also potentially a shock to the system for the superstar that their job is not safe if their lifestyle choices continue? I mean the WWE still does offer pay for their rehab whether they're employed by the company or not. It's just a shame that people don't always take them up on that.

Yeah, it is easy being on the outside looking in, I'm sure, and since I'm someone who just sees drugs (heroin, crack, pot, doesn't matter how lethal or not) as pointless, I've never even gone near them so I can't really speak from experience. But surely there are people around them, friends, family who would want them to stop doing what they're doing. Again, no experience, so I can't really talk. But I guess it's that whole admitting you've got a problem hurdle that holds them back.

[Ed Burns]

Exactly. Ideally, the superstar in question will go get the help he or she needs, to make sure they can stay healthy and off the drugs. Now, having said that, Umaga did not want that help, so he was released. It's certainly for the protection of the WWE, but the superstar is at least given a chance. I honestly don't see a problem with this.

I don't either. It's the Talents' opportunity to squander when they don't get help. An opportunity to perform in the WWE is a good thing. Squandering it by using drugs, refusing help, and getting released is stupid. The Policy definitely works for the WWEs' benefit.

[Shadow Soul]

Well Carlito's father has chimed in and explained why his son was released for being addicted to painkillers. (source http://nodq.com/wwe/276771381.shtml I'll quote what it says here)

"I want to clarify that Carly was not suspended for using cocaine, or heroin or marijuana, but for the abuse of painkillers, which is not unusual because they cause pain falls and blows, combined with the constant traveling. Carly started using one or two for his back pain, but it seems that the situation has become much more serious and needs help."

Colon then went on to state that the majority of Carlito's back pain came from his execution of his patented Backstabber finishing maneuver, which required him to always endure the brunt of the weight of wrestlers weighing anywhere between 200-300 pounds. Carlito never sought medical attention for his back pains, which caused him to inevitably rely on painkillers

Now, if that is the case then it is probably more likely that Carlito refuses to acknowledge that he has a problem, if he don't acknowledge it then any "cure" is a waste of time and money..he should sit down with William Regal and have a long chat.

I hope that Carlito does sort himself out...he knows the help is there if he wants it...and while he is at it he should drag Scott Hall into rehab as well

[Knife]

Exactly. Ideally, the superstar in question will go get the help he or she needs, to make sure they can stay healthy and off the drugs. Now, having said that, Umaga did not want that help, so he was released. It's certainly for the protection of the WWE, but the superstar is at least given a chance. I honestly don't see a problem with this.

I don't either. It's the Talents' opportunity to squander when they don't get help. An opportunity to perform in the WWE is a good thing. Squandering it by using drugs, refusing help, and getting released is stupid. The Policy definitely works for the WWEs' benefit.

Armchair science is easy isnt it.

[3XtremeTaker]

Exactly. Ideally, the superstar in question will go get the help he or she needs, to make sure they can stay healthy and off the drugs. Now, having said that, Umaga did not want that help, so he was released. It's certainly for the protection of the WWE, but the superstar is at least given a chance. I honestly don't see a problem with this.

I don't either. It's the Talents' opportunity to squander when they don't get help. An opportunity to perform in the WWE is a good thing. Squandering it by using drugs, refusing help, and getting released is stupid. The Policy definitely works for the WWEs' benefit.

Armchair science is easy isnt it.

So is armchair wrestling.

[Knife]

Armchair science is easy isnt it.

So is armchair wrestling.

metaphore, ftw.

[Ed Burns]

[Insanity_X]

Armchair science is easy isnt it.

So is armchair wrestling.

metaphore, ftw.

I take it you mean metaphor. Genius.

[Knife]

Put all those together and you got the most hilarious sequence ever hahaha.

Suppse typos are inexistent :P

[RileyTaker]

Another one bites the dust.

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/14734694

Some people have been speculating that that this is kayfabe, but seeing as how it's on WikiPedia, this seems awfully real to me.

[Ed Burns]

Daniel Bryan didn't fit WWE. He didn't have the look they're going for either. I'd rather see him in ROH Wrestling. It fits him better.

[Shadow Soul]

Its going around the net, that he was released for choking out Justin Roberts with his own tie during the beat down on RAW. Apparently this was deemed too violent and sending out the wrong message to the younger fans so someone complained to the powers that be...if this is the case its utter BS because its OK to choke Cena with a rope etc but not OK to throttle the Ring Announcer.

Now I hope this is just a storyline since Daniel Bryan didn't really have a contract per se, going by the rules of the NXT thing.

So while Daniel Bryan may have been fired..I'm expecting Bryan Danielson to be hired either that or the WWE will just wait til all this has gone quiet and rehire him.

[Insanity_X]

I'm going with 'it's a work' Danielson's twitter has changed to 'BryanDanielson' and on it he says 'the winds of change are stirring'. I'm going with work.

[3XtremeTaker]

Its going around the net, that he was released for choking out Justin Roberts with his own tie during the beat down on RAW. Apparently this was deemed too violent and sending out the wrong message to the younger fans so someone complained to the powers that be...if this is the case its utter BS because its OK to choke Cena with a rope etc but not OK to throttle the Ring Announcer.

Now I hope this is just a storyline since Daniel Bryan didn't really have a contract per se, going by the rules of the NXT thing.

So while Daniel Bryan may have been fired..I'm expecting Bryan Danielson to be hired either that or the WWE will just wait til all this has gone quiet and rehire him.

There was a MASSIVE difference between the choking of Justin Roberts and of Cena. When you see superstars wrap camera cables or ring ropes around their opponents' necks, you can see them holding onto it, or the pressure being barely anything.

But when Justin Robers was being chocked, that tie was near snapping with the amount of pressure Bryan was putting on it. Roberts was visibly unable to breathe and was in SERIOUS pain. You could see him desperately clawing at the tie attempting to get a finger in there to alleviate some of the pressure. You could hear him selling the beatdown until he started getting choked when all capacity to make any noise disappeared. My brother and I were both thoroughly enjoying the angle, agreeing that it was a great, unexpected move by the WWE and that it was really effective. But both of us were seriously uncomfortable by that choking.

If this isn't a work and that's the reason he was released, then as far as I'm concerned, GOOD. It was totally unacceptable and really very dangerous. Imagine young kids watching, and their parent go "It's all fake." So they try and do it on each other and it's a recipe for disaster.

As far as I'm concerned, Daniel Bryan was an epic fail and if that's the last we see of him then I couldn't care less.

[Shadow Soul]

OK..if the whole thing with Justin Roberts got out of hand and the choking ( I do agree it looked pretty bad) was not meant to be carried out to the degree that it was then again I agree that those involved should be punished.

After all, Roberts is only a Ring Announcer...he isn't "talent" per se.

Time will tell, I still think this is all part of the ongoing storyline with the NXT rookies and he will return as Bryan Danielson.

[Insanity_X]

Give kids some credit 3XT. They tend not to be stupid enough to emulate people on TV. I, for example did not attempt to emulate superman by trying to fly by jumping off of the roof of my house. Not to mention that parents shouldn't exactly be letting their kids rin around choking eachother with ties anyway.

Funfact, at my primary school (which was a good one in a nice area) the infants used to wear ties where instead of ir being an actual tie, it was the front bit on a piece of elastic string. Fairly quickly people in YR (Reception, i.e. the 5 yearolds) figured out if you tugged on the tie it was painful. Kids can fugure out how to strangle other kids without the aid of TV.

[3XtremeTaker]

Give kids some credit 3XT. They tend not to be stupid enough to emulate people on TV. I, for example did not attempt to emulate superman by trying to fly by jumping off of the roof of my house. Not to mention that parents shouldn't exactly be letting their kids rin around choking eachother with ties anyway.

Funfact, at my primary school (which was a good one in a nice area) the infants used to wear ties where instead of ir being an actual tie, it was the front bit on a piece of elastic string. Fairly quickly people in YR (Reception, i.e. the 5 yearolds) figured out if you tugged on the tie it was painful. Kids can fugure out how to strangle other kids without the aid of TV.

Yeah, I see what you mean about superman.But that's a little different. Wrestling is far more realistic than that sort of show. I know that me and my brother used to play wrestling when we were younger. And I know from first hand experience when I was younger that some of my friends' parents ask why you watch wrestling when "It's all fake and anyone can do it." I'm not saying ALL kids would choke each other with their ties after watching it, but i'm pretty sure that you'd be able to find one or two cases where they would have. And it only takes one serious injury to be reported and the WWE will be tarred with that brush.

Anyone who's read Foley Is Good knows that there are enough cases of child injuries and deaths that are attributed to the kids involved watching the WWE. And while anyone who bothers to research the full facts knows that it's down to bad parenting, sometimes the press don't want to check their facts, because a quick story is much easier. The WWE has come under fire for stuff like that so often, that if they HAVE released Daniel Bryan for it, then it's entirely reasonable, especially considering they're a PG, child-aimed company now.

[RileyTaker]

I agree with 3XtremeTaker. Surely, not every kid is going to go out there and start choking people, but all it takes is one incident. Just one. In fact, in Foley's book, there were four incidents of child deaths which were blamed on the WWF. It didn't matter that many of them were the result of shitty parenting, but when the papers reported them and the PTC addressed them, it reflected badly on the company. I know when I was younger, my and my sister used to run around and wrestle around the house when Raw is War went off the air, and there were times when we ended up hurting each other. Nothing major, but we were so fixated on what we saw on TV, and we thought it was so cool. Now, I don't think that extends to choking out innocent people, but image is very important to the company considering the audience they're trying to go for now.

Not to mention that I'm sure Justin Roberts could probably sue for this. That kind of carelessness on the part of Bryan is inexcusable, IMO.

[Veritas]

Roberts isn't a wrestler. He probably has had a bit of training on how to sell things, what to do and what not to do, but I went and watched the clip, and Danielson had the guy in pain. He was actually choking him out. The danger is threefold.

1) Roberts, as a non-performer, could charge Danielson for assault, or worse, sue the WWE.

2) Roberts, as a ring announcer, is useful to the WWE only for his voice, which could have been easily damaged by this move.

3) Children may emulate it and it could very well be used as negative publicity against the WWE.

What I find interesting is that they would release him immediately. That suggests to me that he either said he did nothing wrong, or more likely, he had suggested doing something similar, was told no by whoever planned the beat down, and then did it anyway.

[Ed Burns]

When I originally watched the whole segment, the chokehold with the tie on Roberts didn't really stand out to me. I figured it was just a part of Roberts selling the choke. Now with the discussion here, I looked at it again, and I agree it was a bit too violent. I think the release was a statement by WWE that they didn't condone it, he doesn't fit WWE, and it probably wasn't approved.