[Blog] Who the hell do TNA think they are?
I have just seen the Bound for Glory PPV on my Television set. As I reside in India, only today I saw the program on the Star Sports TV Channel. Bound For Glory for TNA can be compared to that of WrestleMania for WWE. Agreed, WWE is TNA’s main rival, but TNA is crossing its limits by plagiarizing and defaming some wrestlers and their signature moves.
I’ve been watching TNA closely for the past six months, and I see a lot of wrestlers plagiarize the gimmicks and signature moves of WWE wrestlers. First in the list is Shark Boy who blatantly copies Stone Cold Steve Austin, including Austin’s entrance theme. Then comes Black Machismo Jay Lethal, his entrance is the same as WWE’s (rather WWF’s) Macho Man Randy Savage. Then you have this loser named Abyss, who is just a combination of Kane in terms of Kane’s mask and his explosive entrance, and resembles Mankind in terms of body language. Once in a TNA Impact episode I spotted Alex Shelly copying Randy Orton’s RKO. I mean, what the hell is wrong with you TNA?
The rest of the wrestlers in TNA are the ones who were losers in the WWE and for better recognition, they were cheap traded by the TNA. The long list includes — Kurt Angle, Kevin Nash, Booker T, Scott Steiner, Davari, and Tazz. A birdie also chirps that Hulk Hogan is soon to join the TNA. However, I will spare Christian and Jeff Hardy because though they left the WWE for TNA, they soon realized that WWE is their home, so they returned and are doing great service to the WWE thereafter.
I would say that the 2009 Bound For Glory from TNA is not focused on entertainment. It is only focused on ranting about how it is better than WWE’s WrestleMania 25. And TNA did it through targeting the man who along with Shawn Michaels was the feature of the Houston Chronicle the day following WrestleMania 25 — The Undertaker. The main event for Bound For Glory was between Sting and “Just Theatrical” AJ Styles. The match had AJ Styles challenging Sting for TNA’s version of The Streak that Sting maintains. TNA calls Sting Mr. October because he has won The NWA Championship in all three matches at Bound For Glory prior to this one. This is similar to Sting’s Starcade streak in WCW back in the 90’s, where he lost only once to Lex Luger. The stipulation was if Sting loses then he retires.
The match was one of the sloppiest in the history of pro wrestling. Yes, AJ Styles was good in the ring, but Sting was way too sloppy. His Scorpion Trap, Scorpion Death Lock, Cross Body and every move of his was miserably botched. This also includes the Undertaker’s Tombstone Piledriver. When I saw Sting do the Tombstone, I thought WTF was that. Had it been for some other loser like Matt Morgan, who tried a Tombstone in the match against Kurt Angle prior to the above match, I wouldn’t have bothered much because people like Matt are a pathetic excuse. But I just could not digest a unique and legendary wrestler like Sting plagiarize or copy the Tombstone.
Undertaker and Sting are regarded by many pro-wrestling observers as equal. Both men have been in the business for over two decades and both are of the same age group. Both men have their distinctive styles when it comes to in-ring character and wrestling moves. Have you guys ever seen Undertaker plagiarize the finisher of any other wrestler? Undertaker is too professional a wrestler to do such a cheap thing. Undertaker has maintained his character and continued to innovate signature moves like the Last Ride, and Hell’s Gate and in the process Taker has maintained his uniqueness over the last two decades. Every time he reverses an opponent’s move into a Tombstone, or carries the opponent from the turnbuckle and delivers the Last Ride, or Chokeslam to the opponent when he thinks ‘Taker has been laid to rest by him, or lock the opponent with the Hell’s Gate when he goes for a cover on Taker, we are simply awestruck. Otherwise he wouldn’t come within top-ten in World’s 100 best Pro Wrestlers. Although Sting has made a name for himself almost equal to that of Taker, he just degraded himself in the last match of his career in TNA by giving AJ Styles the Tombstone Piledriver. And just like how Sting botched his other moves, he botched the Tombstone Pile Driver even worse.
Now I agree that when Undertaker gives the Tombstone Piledriver the head doesn’t land hard. But ‘Taker implements the Tombstone in such a way that when you see the Tombstone vaguely, you will feel that the opponent’s head had actually touched the ground when ‘Taker nails it. Only a minuet gap will be visible when you watch Undertaker’s Tombstone closely. In case the opponent has a lot of hair, even that wouldn’t be visible. But when Sting held Styles upside down in order to hit the Tombstone, I could see the entire world between AJ Styles’ head and the ground. When Sting covered AJ Styles, Styles just kicked out of a 2 count easily. That was a further insult to The Undertaker. During the match between Undertaker and Shawn Michaels, Shawn kicked out of Taker’s Tombstone at 2 &1/2. In otherwords it was a near fall. And that too it was “Shawn Michaels” not some nerd like AJ Styles, hence it’s acceptable. But AJ Styles who not only kicked out of the Tombstone but was flying all across the six-cornered ring as though nothing had happened. This is too much of a push for AJ Styles who is nothing but another Rey Mysterio. These are serious image dampeners for The Undertaker, and I as a die-hard fan of ‘Taker condemn it.
What pissed me further was the made-up chants from a group of malicious hypocrites who chanted “This is Wrestling!” taunting the heart-felt “This is Awesome” chant from the WWE Universe at WM 25 during the match between Undertaker and Shawn Michaels. I agree it is recession, but those who shouted for the breadcrumbs that TNA threw at them must feel ashamed of themselves.
Who the hell does TNA think they are? How dare are they to copy Undertaker’s Tombstone? Does Jeff Jarret know how would it feel if Undertaker really connects with the Tombstone on him? Or is it just because Undertaker refused to sign a contract with TNA during his 2003 break post Survivor Series, the TNA wants to show faces at Undertaker? Or is there something burning beneath TNA’s A- – H- – - – whenever, they see The Undertaker carry the WWE on his shoulders and boost the show’s rating?
Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels at WrestleMania 25 broke all sales records which the so called TNA could not even dream off. Their match was the headliner in Houston Texas. All TNA could do was to drive flies at their show when WrestleMania 25 was on. If TNA wants to prove a point, let them first hire a set of fresh and talented wrestlers who have their own in-ring charachter, wrestling-set, and storylines that is never seen before. This strategy of TNA to head hunt losers from the WWE and copy all that WWE wrestlers do is never going to fetch them success in the long run.
If you TNA guys want to really better WWE and Undertaker, you’ve got to earn it. Create a character that is as unique as the Undertaker. Fill in a young and talented wrestler who can fit in the bill. Assign some deadly moves to him. Do some research on the moves that can make that wrestler a future legend. Overall, TNA, use “that something” which is currently sleeping in between your ears, and try to have a backbone.
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I couldn’t disagree with this article more, not to mention that the number of factual errors is off the charts. I’ll be posting a reply to this later today when I have the time.
The only thing left to say is, we here at PhenomForever welcome all Undertaker related articles, but in cases like these we don’t agree with them at all.
WOW…now I aint defending TNA but man you are way off the mark on so many things. And those that know me know I’m one of the biggest COTN WWF/WWE fans out there.
Yes TNA is now full of ex WWE wrestlers but then where else would they get their talent pool from… the big mistake TNA is making is by ignoring those that have worked with them from the beginning.
Copying of gimmicks….nothing new there thats been going on since wrestling began. Same with gimmicks that are intended to take the mick …remember Gillberg, the then WWF’s piss take of Goldberg.
Same thing goes with moves…..imitation is the most sincerest form of flattery, Yep Taker uses the Tombstone Piledriver but he wasn’t the first to do so. You also mentioned the RKO…thats just a version of the Diamond Cutter.
The “This is Awesome” chant is synonymous with TNA, to the point were even during the most boring of matches on Impact the ever faithfull TNA crowd will chant it. At the end of the day its a chant, its like saying you cannot sing “You’ll never Walk Alone” unless yer a Liverpool supporter, makes no sense.
If you are going to attempt to rip someone a new one, especially a wrestling company dont judge it on just one PPV…Yes I found BFG a big disappointment too but no use loosing sleep or hair over it.
OH BTW Undertaker has never even been asked to sign a contract by any other wrestling company….everyone in the business knows he is 100% loyal to VKM and the WWF/WWE.
May I suggest you calm down before writing a blog post. There is an old addage that fits these circumstances rather well
“It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt”
Harsh yes…malicous no, learn to be objective.
The Houston crowd during Wrestlemania 25 also chanted: “This is awesome” During the money in the bank match. Actually it started right after Hornswoggle took out 6 guys in one move including Kane! So…. yeah…
Shadow Soul wrote:
lol, i was about to write the same thing.
and yeah what the people above me said.
taker de immortal!!!
This is powerful. All TNA is a WWE/WCW knock off. I have nothing against Sting. In his prime he was great. But all they tried to do is capture the magic Shawn and Taker had and it didnt work. No match whether its TNA or WWE or OVW (its were young superstars build themselves), they wont top that match. The creative team is basically Vince Russo, as you know made the adititude era then jumped ship. Now Eric Bishoff and Hulk Hogan have creative control, and you remember the last time Hogan had creative control. Vince Russo hasnt been hardly original with the characters or storylines in TNA at all. I’m not satisfied with the product at all. WWE is where it is cuz even tho its PG for now, they know how to capture the imagination of the fans and show them a good time. Cena vs Orton at bragging rights, Great match, no DQ Iron man match. Say what u want about them but they delivered. Taker vs Punk vs Batista vs Mysterio. Great match, Batista becoming heel, no1 expected it it was great. Thats just an example on how WWE can have magic like no other wrestling organization.
Well, even if Sting do the Tombstone for the rest of his career nobody can do the Tombstone like Taker.. A.J style can kick out of Sting tombstone version for all he want but the fact is, that is not The Undertaker’s Tombstone.
Whoever wrote this, just know this.
Matches aren’t studied in completely, it’s not like they
planned out when sting is doing a tombstone or Allex Shelly is doing an RKO. Most of
the match is improviced, and not planned out, the outcome of the match IS planned in though. But don’t blame the whole TNA if Sting copied the tombstone, it’s only Stings fault.
And was that Tombstone Sting did meant
as a finishing move in the match? I think it was just meant as a regular move.
I mean it’s not like every wrestler has his own completely unique move-set.
I’ve seen dozens of wrestlers doing the suplex, so chill out.
It’s not like there are creative teams who decide if Sting should do a Tombstone or a completely
new move.
I know TNA is famous for its copying. Yes Jay lethal is based on the Macho-Man character.
And yes, half of the roster were former WWE wrestlers. It’s just a shame that TNA is something you can’t call unique. If they hire former WWE wrestlers they should give them a completely new gimmick, making them not a copy of the WWE, but TNA doesn’t do that.
I don’t know what former WWE wrestlers see in TNA, once they’ve seen the light, I think they know why TNA sucks.
Like Paul Heyman said, TNA is not a brand, TNA is not a company, it’s a copy disaster.
Wow! It seems this is a blog to say that Sting shouldn’t of used ‘Taker’s tombstone. You wrote twelve, count them, TWELVE paragraphs saying “this is wrong of TNA.” Congratulations, but was it worth a blog? Me thinks not.
First off, your first bug bearing was about Alex Shelley using the RKO — for your information, Alex Shelly has been using this a hell of a long time, not just in the last six months when you conveniently started watching. Its not as if its original and Orton’s by any means; its a simple cutter, DDP anyone? Stone Cold used a variation of it. Not original! … Can’t wait for when you see someone use a punt and claim that is stolen.
Your argument about TNA’s rip-off stars such as Jay Lethal and Shark Boy is an absolute fail. Its been done by WWE as aforementioned by a commenter above: Gillberg? Or did you conveniently forget this fact? Abyss’ character is arguably a culmination, but it doesn’t scream clone of Kane to me. There are some similarities, but is it really that bad that you can’t have some pyro and a mask, else you be considered Kane. Does this mean Mysterio too?
TNA has compiled a list of WWE rejects. Why though? WWE obviously didn’t want them, but does that mean that they can not possibly work elsewhere? WWE has also done its fair share — R Truth? He was nothing as K-Kwik, but then they used his gimmick as Ron “The Truth” Killings and bam, success. Also, Matt Sydal, better known as Evan Bourne? You are totally biased in this as you don’t consider that WWE has done the same damn thing!
Sting wasn’t botching every god-damn move at all, sure there were some sloppy moments, but isn’t that the case in most matches? You hardly ever see a match that goes down perfectly without any bugs anymore. (perhaps I am exaggerating this a bit, but its common to see a few mess-ups now and then). OMFG! Sting used the Tombstone! :(
… You forget, or are oblivious to the fact that Michelle McCool is essentially a carbon copy of AJ Styles, the Faithbreaker, more commonly known as the Styles Clash? The entrance attire jacket?
‘Taker is innovating moves all the time? The chokeslam has been used before, the Tombstone has been used before, the Hell’s Gate is a successful MMA submission move, the Last Ride (an elevated powerbomb) has been used before. Of course, this is nothing against ‘Taker but it just proves that most of the moves we see him “innovate” have and will probably always be used.
AJ Styles kicking out a split second before Shawn Michaels and your bitching? P.L.E.A.S.E. Get a clue.
“This is awesome” is more commonly heard in TNA. ;)
Grim Reaper 05 wrote:
Couldnt agree more
WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WWE MAIN RIVEL IS NOT TNA ITS UFC DUMBASS
So this is how smarks sound like?…
thought it was a myth :P..but they do exist…hehehehe
i am not knocking the blogger for anything but come on seriously there is a fine line between being a fan and going on a complete rampage coz somebody used the piledriver…
okay this somebody who u are talking about is not just anybody..his name is STING…and though i am more of taker fan than any other wrestler…i respect sting just as much i respect taker…to me they are the TWO best wrestlers of all time…both are respected in the locker room…both have been in the business for over 2 decades…Taker and Sting are two of the legends that no one could hold a candle to..both are unique in their own right and if possible to ask taker of the guys he respects the most i am sure that Sting will be there and the same goes for sting an his list of respected wrestlers taker would be present…
it was reported here a long time ago that indeed sting has something of that manner and that he wishes to wrestle against UNDERTAKER someday…but the reason we won’t see it in WWE or TNA is coz neither man is willing to go to the other so the only place we could see on is if they agree to do it on an INDY show…i’d fly half way around the world to see this one….Taker Vs Sting is a dream match for any wrestling fan…and with good reasons that is…looking at taker an sting objectively would show that both deserve the ultimate form of respect and i urge each an every creature of the night to pay sting his dues…it is people like taker and sting who make me proud of bein a wrestling fan…
now it is becoming very old to rant bout TNA and how everything it does is just a copy of what WWE is doing..u guys are serious??? TNA has been putting better product than WWE for almost a year now…save for Taker’s involvement in WWE there is nothing really appealing to me in WWE…i can’t even remember the last time i saw RAW coz it has become boring…it is the same stuff over an over again…i feel insulted at the C**P they have been putting together lately…
i’ve only watched smackdown and that is just for taker and his involvement in it otherwise i’d skip that too…i did it when taker was taking time off…as i always say if you are a fan of wrestling in general and not just a wwe universe *sheep* then u should give TNA a try an even ROH…it is bout the sport we all love not just bout one or two superstars…
Me as a taker fan i am not sure if i will be watching wrestling after he retires an hangs up his boot…and i think many of you would do the same…as far as TNA is concerned they are the only ones who can save WWE’s product and help make it better but now i dunno bout that coz of the signing of the hulkster…
ohh yea…very few ppl deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as taker and sting is one of the few,,.so think b4 bashing him…it is as bad as bashing the taker…
BTW Vince owns TNA 40% so in a way TNA is part of WWE when u think about it
As much as I dislike arguing with someone on here, I think it’s necessary to give some form of respnse to a blog, which there is nothing wrong with blogging. Since I’m a journalist, or in the process of being one, I’m learning quite a lot about writing and such. Blogging, while ok, does take a bit of time and effort to make sure what your writing about is truthful so that your opinion makes sense. Anyone can just go on a computer and write their thoughts, but you need to have facts to support your argument. While you have some facts, not all are correct. I’m not going to give you a lecture about being objective, which you don’t have to be but it sure helps when it comes to what you were writing about. So let me give my thoughts.
I’d like to begin by saying you are correct in that TNA takes some WWE matierial. Abyss is their Kane, Lethal is their Macho Man (A Kevin Nash idea according to my friend), and Shark Boy is their Stone Cold.
I’d like to add to that and say TNA had Lethal do Shawn Michaels promo about losing his smile. TNA also did an Undertaker/Kane storyline almost exactly how WWE did it. Abyss’ manager was the Paul Bearer and revealed himself to be his father, but then brought in another guy, who was the Undertaker character with purple lights etc. They changed the characters roles making Abyss the innocent Taker while the other guy was the demonic Kane. As it seems, only Abyss remains of the three in the company.
With that said I’d like to comment on a few points from your blog.
“Have you guys ever seen Undertaker plagiarize the finisher of any other wrestler? Undertaker is too professional a wrestler to do such a cheap thing”
Yep. Undertaker using MMA submission holds. While he may be the first in the WWE to use it, they are move that were being used by other wrestlers before he started using them in 2003. So it would seem, Taker has his low moments.
“Shawn kicked out of Taker’s Tombstone at 2 &1/2. In otherwords it was a near fall. And that too it was “Shawn Michaels” not some nerd like AJ Styles, hence it’s acceptable”
What makes Shawn Michaels more acceptable to kick out of the tombstone then AJ Styles. What makes him more acceptable then anyone who’s ever kicked out of the tombstone. Kane was the first to do it, then 9 years later Batista did, then Edge, then Triple H, and now Shawn Michaels. What makes a personal qualified to kick out of a move that drops you on your head? Maybe an argument should be why do people who use the regular piledriver never win matches? What makes that move different then the tombstone especially since Bret Hart use to do a really mean looking one.
And lets not forget Wrestlemania X when Owen Hart tombstoned Bret. Owen didn’t win using the move, but he did it. I don’t hear any argument about that. Or remember Finlay in WCW? His finisher was the tombstone too. Still haven’t heard any complaints.
“What pissed me further was the made-up chants from a group of malicious hypocrites who chanted “This is Wrestling!” taunting the heart-felt ‘This is Awesome’”
You are pissed off because the crowd chanted something? I think TNA fans have the right to chant “This is wrestling” as the Styles/Sting match was awsome. It was a big match that saw a lot of good moves. Besides, its hard to claim fans stole a chant. That’s just stupid. That is like Vince and Trump arguing over who came up with the “You’re fired!’ line.
“This strategy of TNA to head hunt losers from the WWE and copy all that WWE wrestlers do is never going to fetch them success in the long run”
Who’s a loser? Angle, Nash, Booker, Steiner, are certainly not losers. They chose to go there. TNA didn’t steal anyone. It is just the place that former WWE wrestlers go to when they aren’t working for WWE. Stealing wrestlers is what WCW did where Hogan was on WWE TV one day then WCW TV then next or how Lex Lugar went from WWE to WCW. Besides, for Nash it was the best decision of his life. He does half the work and gets paid a lot. Easy job, easy money. Nash isn’t an idiot. He knows what he is doing.
The only argument you could possible of made that would have made some sense is Gimmick infrindgement, but even then wrestling moves can be done by anyone. It is just moves are associated with the person who uses it often. Mclyntyre uses Cactus Jack’s double arm DDT, and DX uses Benoit’s crossface. Are they wrong for doing so, not really. It would have been for DX to do it as they had finishers established, but to use it and not win with it is ok. But that’s all I have to say unless I come up with more. Remember…..objectiveness is the key!
dude your being way too serious about this. I know that tna copied the tombstone and i wasn’t very happy about it especially since sting botched it but that part about the entire bound for glory ppv being about targeting the undertaker makes no sense. I also agree that aj vs sting wasn’t nearly as good as i had hoped but it was a good match (absolutely nothing compared to taker vs hbk) but a good match.
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The amount of ‘lol’ in this thread is almost painful.
kevin tucker wrote:
Helps if you add a link. But, considering the man is on tour I highly doubt He took time out of his schedule to go on the now defunct Myspace.
Alright alright, just calm down mate! I think you ‘re taking this ways too extreme and serious. I’m not saying this blog is right or wrong here- since you’re a person just like me and everybody else so you must have the right to say what you think! But I think you have to calm down for this time.
Firstly, we all know damn well that TNA has been a copy of WWE for ages and ages so there is nothing to be angered about. No one is agree with TNA, but you know, that’s the way it is!!!!!!!! But to be honest, you can’t argue with them about this- wrestling has its history and all the wrestlers nowadays are just the results of the history. I means, the WWE men didn’t invent all the moves and skills (’Taker didnt invent Tombstone, Randy didn’t invent RKO, Stone Cold didn’t invent Stunner etc- they are all modified from old moves), so we can’t say TNA takes the moves from WWE or Wrestling history (obviously we know they do copy WWE, but, well, never mind!!!).
Secondly, I don’t agree you call all the wrestlers who left WWE for TNA losers.How many times have we witnessed people leaving their root? not just in wrestling but also in other areas (music and football are good examples- players switch teams, bands break in to solo artists, changing manager etc.) You know, if you want other people respect what you say, you have to respect other people’s choice. People have the right to change and move if they want to. So here, Kurt or Kevin or Booker or Mick or Hogan just do what they think is good for them-which we might not think so. They might look ungrateful, but they choose it and they have to face the result. I means, the inside of a wrestling world is something we don’t know much about. We can see the outside, the bit that they let us see, but the inside bit is completely invisible to us, and all the statements we re saying here might become a locker room joke for wrestlers. You know, Wrestling is a business and employee and employer don’t always get on well. It might be just the disagreement between wrestlers or wrestler with Vince, or they don’t like the way the company’s running or whatever reasons there are – we don’t know exactly what they are thinking in their mind. Yes, I agree with you that they should be more loyal and grateful, and the change doesn’t make their career go up and shinier, but the opposite way round: it makes the career go down and look stupidly ridiculous to all true wrestling fans. For instant ‘Taker shows a lot of respect Kurt and aligns Kurt with himself , and to be honest Kurt is a damn good wrestler, but since he switched to TNA I didn’t even watch a match of him even though TNA keeps on advertising him as the best of the best of the best. The same applied to Kevin, Bobby and Mick. But don’t mix those thing together; I mean, they have the right to change and we have the right to love or hate it; and that doesn’t matter at all. Just don’t say ‘because of we hate it, the change must be bad’. No, opinion always just is opinion.
Hey man take a breath. Taker didn’t invent the Tombstone. And look at Jake the Snake he inventd the DDT but other wrestlers use it all the time. Even Taker are you going to yell at him now???? Didn’t think so.
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Big Dawg 101 wrote:
NO he doesent were the hell did you get that info?
Hogan’s gonna run TNA into the ground and management has made a very bad decision.
intriguing yet elementary.god u think a lot .then y is it that u dont reason why sting mite have used the move in his last match ?thats simply coz sting used tombstone piledriver in few of his matches during his green days.also if am not wrong he seldom used it during the latter part of his career ,remember reversing one against ddp on nitro.so u c ,its not abt taker, rather abt it being stings last match and he doing sumthing that he seldom used to do.even taker has used half boston crab during the midst of his career.so would ya call that…….
You know, I have seen so many people claiming to be Mark that it’s getting to be ridiculous. I am on Favebook, with a photo of me with Mark, and yet I have the fakers adding me as a friend! Such morons! As if I wouldn’t know they are fakes? HELLO??? I’ve seen that one on MySpace, and that isn’t Mark. Too much of his information is wrong too. If they are going to imitate him, they could at least get the facts straight first. I shake my head in disbelief.
Hope all of you have a great weekend!
are u nuts BOUND FOT GLORY WAS FAR FAR FAR BETTER THAN WRESTLEMANIA 25////
AND IT WAS AWESOME AND STING VS AJ WAS SLOPPY DUDE U KNOW HOW TO SEE WRESTLING////////THE PEOPLE WERE CHANTING THIS IS WRESTLING IN THAT MATCH////////
THAT WAS GREAT MATCH AND STING WAS AWESOME///////AS ALWAYS////////////////////////
RANDY ORTON IS THE ONE WHO COPIED RKO FROM DDP DIAMOND CUTTER IF U KNOW/////
SO U LIKE PG WWE////JERICHO IS THE ONLY ONE WHO IS SAVING WWE NOW///////
U SHOULD BETTER FOLLOW ANY TAKER NEWS BECAUSE THAT U DO WELL//////
U DONT LIKE TNA AND BOUND FOR GLORY //////NOW U DONT NEED TO SEE TNA ANY MORE NO ONE IS FORCING U. STOP WATCHING IT RITE NOW AND SWALLOW THAT PG KID CRAP////////
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Interesting points made. However WWE are no saints when it comes to copying moves Michelle McCool uses AJ Styles finisher, and she didnt have the respect to ask him if it was ok. As for botches i don’t think Taker delivers his tombstone piledriver with exact execution everytime remember Wrestlemania 8 against Jake Roberts you could have fitted a car bumber between the top of Jakes head and the outside mat! Don’t get me wrong i am a die hard Taker fan but i was lead to believe that professional wrestlers have duty to asks other professional wrestlers IF its ok to use signature or finishers, so before we all start chucking our toys out of our prams lets get all the facts first,maybe Sting asked Taker if it was ok?
Oh and before we really have a big pop at TNA apart from the Taker vs HBK match at mania what other decent moments were there that will stick in our minds for a long time…………..eh none comes to mind. Oh don’t tell me JBL vs Rey, or the womans battle royal, or maybe the rehashed Orton vs HHH feud. Yes i believe WWE are better but the real problem starts with their creative team and for fucks sakes give someone new a push and not like CM Punk for all of a month!!!!!!!!!!!
Chris Jericho wrote:
I doubt Sting phoned Taker asking him for permission. And it wasn’t wrong of him to use the move considering they aren’t even in the same company. If Sting was in WWE, he would never use the move at all.
As far as Wrestlemania 25 goes, take each match individually and watch them. You’d might be surprised to find it was not all bad. It was just the order of the matches and their outcomes as a whole made the show feel bad, but the matches themselvesself were great.
Yes creative has its issues. Punk’s push wasn’t all of a month. He’s been in the main event scene since May being world Champion or in world title matches. And Kofi Kingston is on the rise too so don’t count WWE out yet with new pushes, but they have been pretty terrible for a while putting guys in the main event. Matt Hardy should be there.
Dude have you not noticed how CRAP WWE is now thats why the superstars are going to TNA the story lines are better the WWE is so PREDICTABLE you can see what will happen before the matches happen like who didnt see orton winning at Hell In A Cell i saw that coming after he Quit at Breaking point. and the matches are not violent like they used to be at least TNA its Violence level is good and yes TNA is predictable to but not as bad as WWE i can not stand watching Raw anymore and i only watch smackdown cause of Rey mysterio and Undertaker. Im so close to not even watching WWE at all most the matches near put me to sleep now if the WWE had superstars and the storylines it did 7 years ago it be good but now the storylines are so stupid the JBL HBK storyline sucked so did HHH Orton that just dragged on and on. and lets screw undertaker of the WHC was a repeat of Hart and HBK 97 and it was stupid this time cause you could see it coming. If i was in WWE id switch to TNA aswell just so much better i cant blame Taz for going im waiting for cena to do the same batista too and maybe Mysterio.
it’s not plagiarism, Sting has been using the Tombstone for quite a long time, and yet again, you’re talking like it was the first time you seen him doing that, even at the WCW’S old days he used to do the tombstone, and by the way, ironically sting hitted the tombstone on jarret the last time they wrestled.
conclution: You’re either drunk/high/ or a kid
Dj wrote:
For Cena and Batista to go to TNA would be a demotion. They would never get the same pay they do in WWE. And what makes TNA better? All they have is older guys working the top and the younger guys working the undercards. And what you rather want to see Undertaker get screwed for real just so its not predictable? Understand that all WWE needs to do is star making new stars, which they do much better then TNA so Raw can have feuds. What goes on in WWE far exceedes what TNA can do for anyone. There is only one place for any wrestler to be who wants a big pay off and that is WWE because they’ll get a better chance then anyone would in TNA.
Dj wrote:
Can’t be more disagree! Tell you what, as my post up there, I already said I have never ever blamed the superstars who left WWE to TNA because I respect their choice. But you are making me feel kinda uncomfortable here and suddenly all those things sound hilarious. TNA is better than WWE? I bet you that would be the last thing a true wrestling fan would say, or to be honest- would never say. I mean, look! You can’t, and mustn’t, judge two wrestling promotions just by those vague elements. WWE has a massive longevity. I think it’s very immature make such a decision: leave WWE because of the preditable matches and bad storylines-it just shows that you are not into wrestling entertaiment. It not just buy a ticket, watch, cheer and boo. It also needs loyalty and firm interest. To be honest with you, the audiences like you are one of the reasons why WWE gone crap- they re trying to hold the interest of the new flirty audiences rather than the loyal old ones with all the non-wrestling stuffs, that’s what annoys me the most (don’t take me wrong i’m only 16 not that old). But not that I would leave WWE aside and forget all the things it has done more than half a century. Come back to WWE vs TNA, if you are still having your conciousness and are clever enough, you would easily see these differences:
- the chemistry and the spirit of the arena
- the connection between wrestlers and the audiences
- the proportion between speech and action
- the meaning of speech
- the connections between feuds
- the equipments and accessorial device (lighting, sound effect and quality, screens etc)
- the commentators
- matches types, events per year
- number of wrestlers in the history and presence, and number of famers
- magazine
- fans
- fames and success the company has achieved
- Entertaining quality (remember it is sport entertaiment)
… And thousands things more!
So, just ask you self which promotion did all those things better. If you say TNA, then well, it’s up to you!! Thank for reading anyway!
Brodie wrote:
That is also what I want to know.
I agree and disagree with certain points in this article.
>> “Agreed, WWE is TNA’s main rival, but TNA is crossing its limits by plagiarizing and defaming some wrestlers and their signature moves.”
Well, I would say TNA is WWE’s main rival ;-) although its not close to how big WWE is right now. And yes, I agree they do imitate and plagiarize some of the WWE wrestlers’ moves, entrances, themes and characters. As Ed calls it, TNA is WWE “Lite”.
>> “The rest of the wrestlers in TNA are the ones who were losers in the WWE and for better recognition, they were cheap traded by the TNA. The long list includes — Kurt Angle, Kevin Nash, Booker T, Scott Steiner, Davari, and Tazz.”
Kurt Angle and Booker T being “losers” in the WWE? Kurt Angle?? Do you know how many main-events he did for WWE PPV’s? Did you see his matches against Shawn Michaels at Wrestlemania and Taker at No Way Out? Kurt Angle left WWE, he was not kicked out (though I guess Kevin Nash was). I consider Kurt Angle to be an even better in-ring performer than Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels. Hell, he might be my second favourite wrestler next to only Taker.
>> “Have you guys ever seen Undertaker plagiarize the finisher of any other wrestler? Undertaker is too professional a wrestler to do such a cheap thing. Undertaker has maintained his character and continued to innovate signature moves like the Last Ride, and Hell’s Gate and in the process Taker has maintained his uniqueness over the last two decades.”
It is true that Taker is unique to wrestling and maybe that Sting’s character was influenced by Taker’s character to an extent. Taker is original when it comes to character, entrance, and style. Yeah, he does bring MMA into wrestling, but I don’t think he imitates any wrestler at least whe nit comes to finishers (e.g., you won’t see him do a pedegree, etc). However, that does not mean that Sting cannot use the tombstone. Why can’t Sting use it? Its a wrestling move – its not something over which Taker has a patent or a copyright. Its only his signature move but its not an official trademark. Any wrestler can use any allowed move in the ring.
>> “It is only focused on ranting about how it is better than WWE’s WrestleMania 25. And TNA did it through targeting the man who along with Shawn Michaels was the feature of the Houston Chronicle the day following WrestleMania 25 — The Undertaker. The main event for Bound For Glory was between Sting and “Just Theatrical” AJ Styles.”
Let them market their PPV as they want. How does it matter? We can’t stop them. Wrestlemania 25 was a cr*p PPV in terms of matches, if you remove Taker vs Shawn from it. I was at ring-side, I saw every match from as close as possible and there were many moments when I was just laughing at the comedy which was going on in the ring (like the Diva’s battle). Taker vs Shawn was the only match which saved the PPV, in which no other match was of the standard of a Wrestlemania (maybe except Ricky Steamboat’s performance) and definitely no other match was worth being at the Silver Jubilee. I think Summerslam was better than Mania, if you remove Taker vs Shawn from Mania.
>> What pissed me further was the made-up chants from a group of malicious hypocrites who chanted “This is Wrestling!” taunting the heart-felt “This is Awesome” chant from the WWE Universe at WM 25 during the match between Undertaker and Shawn Michaels.
Again, its a marketing done from their side. If they want to copy WWE and do these gimmicks, let them do it – why do we care? How does it affect WWE fans who still consider Taker vs Michaels to be the greater match? We don’t need to defend – all the editorials and media have mentioned Taker vs Michaels to be one of the greatest wrestling matches ever and we don’t need any other justification or backing for it.
>> “But when Sting held Styles upside down in order to hit the Tombstone, I could see the entire world between AJ Styles’ head and the ground. When Sting covered AJ Styles, Styles just kicked out of a 2 count easily. That was a further insult to The Undertaker. During the match between Undertaker and Shawn Michaels, Shawn kicked out of Taker’s Tombstone at 2 &1/2. In otherwords it was a near fall. And that too it was “Shawn Michaels” not some nerd like AJ Styles, hence it’s acceptable.”
I don’t think that relates to Taker in any way. Even if it was an imitation of Taker’s move, why are we bothered about it? Somebody did mention about Taker’s tombstone to Jake Roberts in which case you could fit a globe between Jake’s head and the ground – however, Taker has executed so many wonderful tombstones on people of all sizes after that, that we really don’t care about how bad that one tombstone was. Sting is not as tall as Taker, so he will not be able to execute a tombstone with the same leverage and ease that Taker does, but if he wants to try it, we can’t stop him. Remember the DDT which Shawn gave to Taker in their Mania match? Even that was badly botched. However, the match was so great that we ignored it. Agreed that Shawn is a bigger legend in wrestling than AJ Styles is as of now, but it doesn’t mean that AJ can’t kick out of the tombstone in the TNA world. And if the kick-out was in 2 instead of 2.5, it still doesn’t change the perspective of the tombstone for we WWE fans. Let TNA fans think what they want.
WWE is NOT competing with UFC because they’re totally different. UFC is strictly kickboxing. TNA is nothing other than another second rate organization that has to copy moves thats perfected by the WWE superstars, and gimics that are the exclusive property of the World Wrestling Entertainment Company. They even hired losers such as Scott Steiner and Booker-T, and has-been traitors like Hulk Hogan and Kurt Angle. Even though they may get away with this, no one can say that the WWE isn’t the best source of Wrestling Entertainment.
What makes you call Kurt Angle a traitor? He discussed his situation with Vince, and Vince agreed to let him go before his contract ended because he was convinced that Kurt wasn’t happy. What else would he do in an organization where guys like John Cena (who can’t wrestle half as good as Angle) were being made top stars who even beat Angle? If Vince agreed to let him go and didn’t call him a traitor, how can you? WWE has its negatives too, and you can’t deny them.
So you’re saying that Cena was the reason for Kurt leaving?
Kurt was the reason Kurt left as is everyone who left WWE for TNA. Vince did nothing to nobody.
While you were out, I got the keys to your car. And drove it into a big wall. And if you don’t like it, tough. I’ve had my fun, and that’s all that matters.
VieSinCalaway wrote:
If wwe so good smart arse why did the great hulk hogan go to TNA cause WWE IS SHITHOUSE
you are a young 16 yr old who is like cool i like the new wwe but once you grow up you will probably realise how bad it is if not your a fruitloop and im a true wwe fan and so is my cousin and wwe ashamed the direction it took it be like metallica going to do rap it is STUPID. WWE may have done some great things in the last half century but times are changing and soon TNA will advance and i wouldnt be shocked if WWE crumbles. Once Taker retires the WWE will probably lose a load of fans why cause who will be the big dog then? wont be anyone that good and if people still watch the WWE in 10 yrs time going its awsome then they have issues.
Hades the Hellraiser wrote:
No but one of the reasons he stated was that he wasn’t getting matches against good “wrestlers” because he had faced them all and he didn’t like the fact that there were some stars who were not good wrestlers but were still very popular (taking the example of “Cena”). The bottomline is that he was not a traitor and he discussed his position with Vince before leaving. Vince allowed him to leave before his contract was over, and so nobody here can call Angle a loser or a traitor.
harman wrote:
You are an idiot
Dj wrote:
I doubt that’s the reason the Hulkster decided to go with TNA instead of WWE, but okay, sure, why not.
TNA isn’t any better, even with WWE limping along compared to how great it use to be. I’ve been a wrestling fan for about 20 years, and have watched WWF/E ever since then. TNA is still just a young company right now, while WWE is the big dog in the business. You won’t see WWE crumbling down any time soon. That’s not to say TNA won’t grow into a bigger company, because I’m sure it will; I even hope it will. I miss when there were all kinds of different wrestling companies on the air, putting out quality entertainment. And the part about Undertaker retiring will cause a ton of fans to stop watching, that definitely won’t happen. Yes, a lot of people love ‘Taker and will be sad to see him go (I’m definitely high on that list) but there are plenty of other good wrestlers in WWE that are worth watching. If you stop watching just because ‘Taker is gone, then you’re not a true wrestling fan, period.
That being said, I believe your post is in some sort of violation, you have several insults directed toward a fellow poster.
Am I the only one who is still waiting for Dan’s reply to this? I really like to know his view on this.