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Smackdown Spoilers 07, October 2008
Filed in Spoilers. Posted by Jen on October 8th, 2008. Add Comments? [85]

The following are the spoilers for the October 10th edition of Smackdown. Place your mouse over the box to read them!

From Wrestlezone.com

Vicky and Chavo Guerrero begin the show in the ring in her wheel chair wearing the neck brace. The crowd is drowning them out as they are talking about Undertaker’s loss to the Big Show. Big show comes out and talks about beating taker, and a video is shown from No Mercy. Big show talks about facing Triple H, Vladimer comes out saying he should get a shot. Big Show threatens him and Vladimer leaves.

Triple H vs. The Big Show ended in a no contest. Lights go out and Taker battles Show to the back. Kozlov comes down attacks and head butt of doom on Hunter. Jeff Hardy comes to make the save and they take out Kozlov. Hardy then delivers a twist of fate on Hunter.

PhenomForever.com Note: The reports are slightly conflicting as to WHEN Taker makes his appearance in all of this. But he IS there. So he’s taking no breaks post No Mercy.


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Posted by THE DEADMAN RULZ

Taker did not take time off. it is such a great news for me. that means he is fit and healed. Wow! he battles sLow to the back. that shows some attitude. this means that sLow won’t get a title shot before Taker is through with him. man i am glad.

Ed says that Taker appeared twice. this will make SD watchable and exciting.

THE DEADMAN RULZ!!!!


Posted by Kingpin

I am pretty sure that taker doesnt appear and chase Khali, i think thats a bit of a mix up as the spoilers seem a bit jumbled, but glad to see he does appear and go after Big Show, also glad HHH didnt beat big show and make taker look a mug!


Posted by bossybos

Ow man, I hope Taker is ok.


Posted by Rajiv Chopra

`Well, if his knee is fine, then that is cool. If not, then I think that the WWE is not doing right by him.


Posted by nicolas

i have a good news for Ric Flair he returned in WWE in the future,for the last many federations wrestling are ready to sign ric flair especially in NWE .
If the nature boy accept he will be on tour in Europe.
To concerned Taker i’m demand always what’s the futur for his career.


Posted by vania

i am glad to read this news about Taker.it means he is health enough to punish big show and vicky for all their sins :clap_tb:


Posted by tim leece

nicolas,

very good news about the nature boy ric flair woooooooooooooooooooooooooo

what a true legend flair is.

stylin’ and proflin’.

wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

taker will take big slug and vicki to hell and they will RIP.

long live the deadman.

cheers tim,
australia.


Posted by nicolas

Undertaker said this thing one day”the body of the undertaker may be destroyed but my soul no,my soul is indestructible”.


Posted by Ali Shah

Well its a good news thank god our favorite wrestler of all time is not taking time off for the second time this year. I saw his match at no mercy he did attenpt an old school on show which indicates that his knee has healed but if Taker still has problems with his dislocated finger but is not taking time off than wwe should not make him wrestle dark matches atleast until cyber sunday but let him cut promos. And i am so happy to hear that that fat giant Big Slow did not win the world title and even more happy to hear that taker got some payback. Can’t wait to see Smackdown this Friday. C.O.T.N for life.


Posted by Ed Burns

The report I read said he appears twice. It’s not out of character as he’s done it a few times in the past. Kind of spots like Kane used to do.


Posted by Hotaru

The Undertaker will participate in Cyber Sunday PPV then he will take time off maybe till Survivor Series or Armageddon..


Posted by ash

I really don’t think his knee was/is as bad as everyone assumed from the “sources”. If it were as bad then true, they would have him wrestle someone like Big Show who doesn’t require any lifting or stress for Taker’s body, but in the match at No Mercy, Taker was moving around very well and i’m sure they wouldn’t of scripted some of the moves into the match that they did if his knee was so bad. I mean they had Big Show knock Taker over the ropes to the outside, landing hard on his feet, Taker jumped off top ropes (Old School) attempt, and look at how fast and easy Taker was running from rope to rope for the flying clothesline. Also the running leg drop on the apron. I

‘m not saying he’s not in pain or his knee wasn’t bad at all, because at spots you could see, for example after the leg drop on the apron Taker leant on the annouce table and looked like his knee was stiff, and also after he jumped off the top rope and Big Show caught him, you can see his knee lock up and he reaches for it after the chokeslam.


Posted by shubham

Hi guys,

I am a regular visitor of this site since a long time although this is my first post .I have been a fan of taker since 1991 when I was only 4 yrs old.
I have regularly been watching wrestling and have to say this ( i dont intend to offend ppl out here ) but it is really clear what WWE are trying to do… Vladymir (or whatever his name is) is being pushed to face HHH for the title (HHH wins!) , we get to see another Big show (big slow is better!) vs Taker match , and khali takes on knoxwille to get a win. I hate the way wwe rape the charecters of their superstars. I mean, Undertaker being knocked out!! ( the same guy who did not even fall at chloslines from Giant Gonzalez! Khali loosing to everybody – the same guy who gave taker a helluva time and did not daze at chairshots from John Cena and lastly and the worse Kane,… look at his debut and untill 2000 he was DOMINANT… he cant take out Rey??? I mean cummon… he took out taker numerous times – with ease!! when he started … and when he was to face taker at wrestlemania 20 , he gave goldberg a hard time… now he gets his ass kicked… its not only disrespecting kane’s charecter , but also taker’s

anyway tha attitude era will never be back and wwe creative are not capable !! atleast not anymore..

COTN for life!!!


Posted by Ed Burns

With the knee, I think its fine. If WWE thought his knee was bad then he would’ve been in a tag match to protect his knee. This was his 3rd singles match, after doing 2 months of tag matches since Hell in a Cell. I don’t see him taking any time off.


Posted by svakiya

@ Shubam, so true…..so true! C.O.T.N4life


Posted by Natonstan

Well, Glad to hear Takers on SD this week, Hopefully he’ll be on CS if not fighting at least showing up for something, TBH I think it would be cool if he did something for Halloween, like a cool promo or something would be great!

COTN FOR LIFE!


Posted by Jen

ash wrote:

I really don’t think his knee was/is as bad as everyone assumed from the “sources”. If it were as bad then true, they would have him wrestle someone like Big Show who doesn’t require any lifting or stress for Taker’s body

Hear hear. I’ve always said these so called ‘sources’ are about as reliable as a car with 2 wheels. Dont believe everything you read. We only report things here because theyre reported elsewhere and we have to, but 9 times out of 10 as Molly Holly once said herself… there is NO way anyone can truly know someones status. They sign confidentiality agreements. Everythings hush hushed, people get fired for talking. So where all this ‘inside info’ comes from has always baffled me. They get ‘angle predictions’ right on guesswork half the time.. and anyone can be right 50% of the time haha. I reckon his knee was sore, he’s worked through it. Yey.

Remember he’s a 43 year old man, and he isnt stupid. He isnt gonna run himself into the ground, his body is his livelihood. Trust him to know whats right for him and what isnt. And stop listening to the ‘insiders’… haha, they make me laugh.


Posted by Mayank Shridhar

I still think that Taker is not entirely healed, otherwise why was he kept out of action on Smackdown TV after Summerslam, and why was he doing only house-shows/ dark-matches which were tag-team matches. And now that he is just beating Big SLow backstage instead of coming out in the ring and regularly fighting, I think it will still take him some time to completely heal. However, maybe that he will be fit and fine by Cyber Sunday itself instead of Survivor series.


Posted by ancienthordes

i am happy taker is not taking his time off and appearing this friday night.i think we will have to agree with mayank as he might not be 100% fit but anyways taker is not letting down his deadmanics and we are proud about it.

@mayank:one thing is for sure big show will have a unpleasant weekends till cyber sunday.

NOW one thing i really dont understand why hardy turning his back on tripl h with twist of fate? i think feud is over hardy lost it and he should look something fresh for feud or mind his own business.

My special thoughts for Cyber sunday
at cyber sunday triple threath match tripl h vs big show vs undertaker with public vote
1.TLC match
2. hell in a cell
3.special casket match(the first person to put the other in to the casket and closes the casket is judged winner)—->i know this is impossible i just made it up

vladmir vs hardy for contenders match——–>i find it useless hardy given numerous opportunites but this times hardy looses big time.


Posted by nicolas

for the news of Ric Flair i hope isn’t a rumour,when i saw if his return is true i ‘ll post the news here.
Sting makes actually many destruction in TNA,he interfere at every matches with a guitar send by Jeff Jarrett.
Big Daddy v is actually sign for NWE,Undertaker has not finished with Big Slow he sooner rest in hell


Posted by lashawn

undertaker never took time off. i hope that undertaker beats the holy crap outta big show. undertaker is a phenomenal wrestler. he can do anything


Posted by Deadgirl202

im sorry guys but how do u bookmark that back up site i don’t know how 2 do it :blush_tb:


Posted by shubham

well to be honest, taker would not take time off untill he has another injury ( which I hope never happens!!!) if he has been working with a bad leg all this time, it does’nt really make sense him takin time off now, when he is definately better than what he was a month ago!! I hope that taker gets his championship shot soon… but I dont really see that happenin as wwe always screws him!!! but then again it is nt good for his persona to loose to someone cleanly ( he only does that rarely) and we cant always have him stipped off the championship or loose with interference when it is a title match…also, with HHH being the champion and hardy and vlydimir in the scene… i can see this dragging till Royal Rumble or new yrs revolution and taker cant be in the main event 3 yrs in a row ( and no matter what the speculations are ..and how bad WWE screws taker, we all know he is not gonna loose @ wrestlemania … atleast not in Houston!!this year!!) so this makes the main event predictable!!
so ets just hope he has a DECENT feud, with someone capable… and a good wrestler… I dont dislike the Idea oh him havin a feud with Umaga… he is atheletic, strong and comes across as a very capable opponent!!!l( although I dont know if that’s gonna happen or not ) also he has never had a feud with Umaga so it kinda gives us something new to see!!!.lets just hope this big show feud turns interesting with some additions in the meanwhile!!


Posted by Respect the Deadma

My name doesn’t fit any more….that is disappointing. anyways…
If Undertaker’s knee was a major issue, Vince would have him be taking time off. Like Vince has said, he is the best in the business and they only do the feuds to let him have time off, so the crowd doesn’t expect as much.
So if he is back like he is now, then he is probably doing a lot better than he was to begin with…
however, he did have small limp at No Mercy, but he did deliver his jumping-close line, as well as the ring jump..which required him to use his leg.
If Big Slow wasn’t supposed to win that match, then he probably would end up like Edge right now….Big Slow won via turnbuckle…not via fair fighting.
Which reminds me, have you ever seen ‘Taker use a cheap trick? Eg: take the turnbuckle off, or get a cheap shot when the ref isn’t looking, etc…? I never have and I have been watching for a long time…there is no need for him to do that..Big Slow got scared and knew it was his only chance…


Posted by tim leece

big daddy v resigning with the wwe does that mean the ministry could be reformed?

when is edge due to return? he will be a good guy now won’t he he was sent to hell by taker that fued is over.

edge is a good guy will be interesting how long will that last?

any clues if taker is going to be wrestle at cyber sunday and will it be against big slug?

a casket match or inferno or hell in a cell match would be good even a buried alive match!

what about la familia and vicki guerrero what does the future hold for them?

mind you kurt hawkins and zack ryder are not tag team champs no more bad luck boys!

be good to see john cena make his return he is a top bloke, the ladies love him.

be good to see honky tonk man at cyber sunday never seen him wrestle or on tv before, stone cold, gold dust, roddy piper it will be great!

let’s hope cyber sunday is a good PPV for a change.

cheers guys,
tim australia.


Posted by Ed Burns

I’m not an insider. I just went with my gut. How do we know the people that write these ‘insider’ articles aren’t riding the bus with 2 windows to work?! I think his knee has gotten better. He’s still not 100%, but he’s fit enough to wrestle singles matches.


Posted by bossybos

I hope this feud with Vickie and show will be over by Survivor Series.


Posted by THE DEADMAN RULZ

Ed Burns wrote:

I’m not an insider. I just went with my gut. How do we know the people that write these ‘insider’ articles aren’t riding the bus with 2 windows to work?! I think his knee has gotten better. He’s still not 100%, but he’s fit enough to wrestle singles matches.

i completely agree. these ‘insider’ people start becoming prominent any time a big name in wwe is concerned with either an injury or a famous achievement of his. for instance, these ‘insider’ people spring up before WMs and start writing baseless things about Taker loosing his streak. when Taker got injured they wrote Heaven and Hell about how disastrous his injuries were and how he will probably never return again. well, for me these writers and their writings are totally unbelievable. you believe them for once and you will be fooled. but sometimes their writings do come true but in a completely different and unrelated way than they had written. those are once in a hundred cases. so forget about what these ‘insider’ people write and just relax and watch and discuss what you see by our own eyes. we are not astrologers and so we must not predict about the future. that is very imprecise. Taker is a head to foot sensible man and is highly experienced and precise in whatever he does. he knows what he is doing and also is aware of limits. so we should stop worrying about a 43-year old Phenomenal person. just experience the entertainment that he has in store for us. he is the best. The Undertaker is the greatest.

THE DEADMAN RULZ!!!!


Posted by Kingpin

Deadgirl202 wrote:

im sorry guys but how do u bookmark that back up site i don’t know how 2 do it :blush_tb:

Easiest way to do it is to click then link then when the page opens, click favorites and add to favorites


Posted by vania

good advice,THE DEADMAN RULZ :thumbup_tb:


Posted by nicolas

you are not renseigned tim Leece Big daddy v is actually to contract with NWE not WWE.
i’m inform all the days on wrestling world.


Posted by randy

interesting news from all of you i just w :cool1_tb:ant taker to win a couple more titles then retire happy


Posted by Ed Burns

This week, I’m actually excited to see Smackdown. I hope the reports are accurate. He appears twice. I think we’ll get to see him in matches on Smackdown now.


Posted by Renzojrtaker

Yes,But Taker is still unhealed I wish him all the luck, shubham you made your first comment here, and this is going to be my last one, reason being, I was crtisized too much plus I ‘m busy…and I’ll only come here to watch headlines…..as for then…..Thanks and bye bye…


Posted by CHESNEY

ITS HIs right knee is da problem watch summerslam again when UNDERTAKER DO DA TOMBSTONE PILDRIVER TO EDGE
HIS RIGHT KNEE GOES UP SO QUICKLY

04.28 TO 34 TOMBSTONE PILDRIVER PART

THEN AFTER WHEN UNDERTAKER WINS HELL IN A CELL

EVERY BODY LOOK CAREFULLY

WHEN UNDERTAKER GOES OUT OF THE RING

05.42 TO 45

U SEE UNDERTAKER QUICKLY HOLD HIS RIGHT KNEE WHEN HE DROPS

http://www.dailymotion.com/rel.....shortfilms


Posted by KO

The WWE is making it to look like the Deadman forgot how to win,this is an injustice to the Deadman.He should be getting more respect then he has been getting.What is the future of the Deadman,I hope total destruction.Hell has been cast on the WWE.Deadman forever.


Posted by Ed Burns

They always do this garbage. It’s like in fall you want to face Taker, he’ll put you over. Then come march, stay away, your career will die! He gets over like he should.


Posted by Azza

I Bet Taker Gonna Whip Fat Shows Ass


Posted by THE DEADMAN RULZ

Ed Burns wrote:

They always do this garbage. It’s like in fall you want to face Taker, he’ll put you over. Then come march, stay away, your career will die! He gets over like he should.

Sure Ed, just around SS Taker becomes unstoppable each and every year. and all are for facing Taker other than between SS and WM. they know that he will sell them then. but no body dares to challenge him between SS and WM. there’s the reason for which i to an extent liked orton when he challenged Taker at WM 21. orton has some guts. and he gave Taker some competition. others just come no near.


Posted by KO

The Deadman is not healed,you can tell by watching him.I have been following the Deadmans carerr since he started in Texas and had the priviledge of meeting him.He is a very nice person.He is still moving slowly and kind of limping that is why he has not been in any matches.The Deadman needs time to heal properly.


Posted by bossybos

This feud will most likely finished at Survivor series. Undertaker needs time to heal before royal rumble.


Posted by Respect the Deadman

this feud should have died…as long ago as possible.
It will end soon..
but here is the issue I think. Vickie needs to be burned in hell..which she would have, but the WWE hasn’t found a suitable replacement for her yet..so they have to keep this going temporarily. Or I hope so…..


Posted by Stefan

Man that was the best ass kicking from the Taker,THAT-THAT’S THE DEADMAN THAT I WANT TO SEE


Posted by Ed Burns

It was funny hearing Vickie whine and moan. She sounded like she had garbage in her throat. I really hope this is the beginning of the end for vickie.


Posted by THE DEADMAN RULZ

right. this feud with vickie has been getting on my nerves for some days now. i wish it to end soon


Posted by nicolas

the only things to finished with Vickie is to fired her


Posted by MrBlackhawks

Hey guys if you saw in the promo on last episode of sm Chavo wasn`t himself the cooky mexican.

two weeks ago he got his bell rung by the Big slab , and that`s the end of la famila chavo will turn face and join undertaker and edge and of course big daddy v ?

I think there is a trade going on between raw and sm , i think that John Cena is coming to sm and the other dude is Triple H.


Posted by Ed Burns

That wouldn’t make sense. Then smackdown has no title. It won’t happen.


Posted by Icang

If wwe want to make some reality in the ring, dont do it on The undertaker, do it on someone else like triple h, cena or batista. Because Taker is known for his “super durability”
And no mercy is spit in the face of Taker, because Taker can take 5 angle slams without losing and endure batista bomb etc, now he got KO’ed that easily. One more question, i’d appreciate it if you all answer it: We all know Taker turned heel during the ministry era, he made vince mc mahon kneel in front of him and performed a satanic rituals (thats why the ministry is my favourite persona). But at wm 15 didnt hear the fans chanting “UNDERTAKER!” and at backlash when Taker had a match with ken shamrock the fans chant BORING! So my question is: Did Taker got boo’ed by the fans since the begining of the ministry era or Taker started got boo’ed by the fans when he feuded with austin and the rock? Thank you


Posted by KO

The Deadman looks like he is still hurting.On Smackdown the only reason they kept turning the lights out is so we would not see how bad the Deadman is limping and how much pain he is in.The lights being out help him get in position for his next punch.


Posted by Ed Burns

When he was in the ring to come out he looked fine. He took a couple steps as the lights went out.

Let me add that, I think the lights going out and Taker being in position after they came on was to make it like every time Slow moved to protect himself, Taker was hitting him from every where.


Posted by Mayank Shridhar

KO wrote:

The Deadman looks like he is still hurting.On Smackdown the only reason they kept turning the lights out is so we would not see how bad the Deadman is limping and how much pain he is in.The lights being out help him get in position for his next punch.

No, the lights going out were done just for his character and to show that he can be present anywhere and everywhere to hit Big SLow. Big SLow cannot run away from him. In the No Mercy match, Taker moved around fine – I think he is healed. If he was not healed, he would have taken some time off instead of coming for another match at Cyber Sunday.

I read on wrestlezone.com that at Armageddon, Y2J defends against Batista and Cena in a triple threat match, and HHH defends against Kozlov. Since Big SLow is not on the title scene, it means that Taker would’ve taken him out at Cyber or Survivor, but since Taker is not in the title match either, it makes me think that in a match with Big SLow, maybe that Umaga will interfere and start a rivalry with Taker which will go on till Armageddon. I guess this means Taker will win the Rumble and then only will he start his title hunt.

Icang wrote:

So my question is: Did Taker got boo’ed by the fans since the begining of the ministry era or Taker started got boo’ed by the fans when he feuded with austin and the rock? Thank you

Taker got booed from the ministry era because a lot of the audience did not like the Satanic rituals, sacrifices, etc. It hurts some people, and the other folks know that it was not real – that was the attitude era and all they wanted to see was great attitude from the wrestlers like what Stone Cold and Rock showed. And since Taker was heel, he also got booed when he feuded with the then-faces Stone Cold and Rock. They should thank Taker that their rivalries with him cemented their popularity – if he had remained a face as during his dead-man persona, the crowd wouldn’t have booed him or supported Stone Cold/ Rock so much. If you see the earlier matches between Taker and Stone Cold during Taker’s dead-man persona, you’ll see that Stone Cold was treated as just another wrestler and there wasn’t any great fan-following for him. Taker dominated him and took away most of the cheers as well.

Taker himself called the ministry as the low point in his career because he joined hands with the corporation, and then the issues started revolving around the McMahons – which will obviously happen when they are involved. So, it allowed the Undertaker to become a part of something which was not derived from the Undertaker, and that was unusual.

When Taker returned as the dead-man at Wrestlemania 20, you would’ve heard the chants and that was enough to make out that is how the crowd loves him the most and that is how most of the people wanted to see him again. That is how he had gained world-fame to begin with.


Posted by THE DEADMAN RULZ

He looked in very good shape to me. got to see him yesterday on TV. his pace has increased. and he was thundering. i feel that he is okay now. he will now show the world what he is…

Mayank, now that is the only thing that seems obvious. i agree with you.

THE DEADMAN RULZ!!!!


Posted by tim leece

just reading on wwe.com that taker will face big slow at cyber sunday match stipulations will be announced on this weeks smackdown.

here is the link: http://www.wwe.com/shows/cyber.....0/preview/

any guesses what sort of match it will be?

go taker and big slug will RIP.

cheers tim,
australia


Posted by Ed Burns

I’m hoping for a last man standing match or no holds barred match. The gogoplatta is legal then.


Posted by Icang

Yeah mayank you’re right i hear a thuderous undertaker chant at every wrestlemanias from wm 7-24 except wm 15 (even at wm x8 most of the fans support Taker and i saw almost all of the fans standing on their feet when Taker pinned flair, but Taker was a heel that time)
I think the match at cyber sunday will be buried alive match or inferno match


Posted by Mayank Shridhar

I am hoping that it HAS to be a casket match. WWE have not yet revealed how to vote for it? It wasn’t there this morning on the website as to how to vote for it. It will be good if it is casket because he can then shut him off along with Vickie and burn the casket and make them disappear. That will be cool.


Posted by Ed Burns

Last man standing with the stipulation that if Slow loses, Vickie gets fired.


Posted by tim leece

agree with you ed last man standing and if slow loses vicki gets fired sounds great!

big slow couldn’t even last for a last man standing match he is to slow!

RIP to slow and vicki guerrero.

cheers tim.


Posted by Ed Burns

It would end this issue between Taker, Vickie and Slow. Then Taker can concentrate on the title.


Posted by Mayank Shridhar

The issue is that Vickie cannot be fired. There is some kind ofcontract between WWE and their wrestlers that WWE will support the family if something untimely happens to the wrestler, I guess. That is the reason why you see Vickie involved so actively in storylines and that too in such a high position.

The only hope is that if she can be moved to another brand like ECW. Teddy Long will be back in Smackdown, and he is so much pro-Taker. I liked the fact that he did the announcing of the Wrestlemania 23 match, and the way he said “And introducing the challenger, he is the PHENOM of the WWE – the Undertaker!”. That was cool. They both go a long way – Long has managed Taker when he was Mean Mark Callous of the New Skyscrapers tag-team in WCW.

Since Taker said to Vickie that he will send her to hell where she can join her husband, I am hoping that the match between Taker and Big SLow will be something where Vickie can also be “involved”. In a casket match, she can be involved in the sense that she can be thrown into the casket with Big SLow (mind you, you need a big casket) and locked/ burnt to join Edge in hell. We haven’t seen a casket match since long, and its so much in line with Taker’s character. Edge can make a return after that, as a face and with no link to Vickie or Taker.


Posted by BillyofMaryland

What if they script it so that Edge turns on Vickie, and aligns himself with Undertaker? Remember, Edge did an interview shortly after their HITC match, and said “he would love to form a tag team with Undertaker?” We can only hope that Undertaker will reform the Ministry if he so chooses, but I doubt it b/c personally, he hated the Ministry Undertaker, b/c in his words “he’s a family man and doesn’t want his kids thinking his the Devil…XD!”


Posted by Mayank Shridhar

I’m sick of hearing the ministry predictions. The ministry was the lowermost point in Taker’s career with fans booing him, and he was losing matches to Stone Cold and Rock. Taker called it the weakest point in his career himself.

As for Edge – Taker does not need Edge to beat Big SLow. He beat Big SLow and A-Train at Wrestlemania with very little help from Nathan Jones. Taker’s tag-teams are not long-lasting, unless its with Kane. He is a singles’ wrestler. Tag teams are for the Edges and the Hardys and the Dibiases/ Rhodes.


Posted by Ed Burns

She can be fired as General Manager. That doesn’t mean her position and job with the company is over. They can bring her out in a lesser capacity.


Posted by tim leece

ed,

wwe firing vicki is well and truly overdue!

vicki with a lesser capacity that sounds good.

she could shut up for a start she is horrible and when vicki says “excuse me”, what did you fart vicki?

wwe please bring back teddy long as smackdown general manager.

cheers tim.


Posted by Ed Burns

I’ve read that elsewhere that when a performer dies the family is taken care of indefinitely. That’s good, it doesn’t mean Vickie can’t be removed as GM. If they did remove her, she would still keep her position backstage with the company. She would still be a character, just without the clout.


Posted by Mayank Shridhar

They shouldn’t have brought her out to the limelight in the first place. Should’ve kept her backstage. She can’t play any character – good or bad.


Posted by Ed Burns

Mayank, you’re absolutely right. They shouldn’t have brought her to the public eye. I think her 15 minutes of fame are about up. Her acting, vocal tone, and the gurgling voice when she yells, are awful and need to be replaced immediately.


Posted by BillyofMaryland

She isn’t even the GM of SD in real life. Like everything in Wrestling except the injuries, it’s all kayfabe. Vince ultimately pulls the strings, and it’s a shame all he cares about is haucking his wares instead of entertaining the fans that have made him and his family billionaries.


Posted by THE DEADMAN RULZ

vickie could be removed as SD GM easily, i feel. if she is to keep her position then she could keep it at another show.

Mayank Shridhar wrote:

They shouldn’t have brought her out to the limelight in the first place. Should’ve kept her backstage. She can’t play any character – good or bad.

Ed Burns wrote:

Mayank, you’re absolutely right. They shouldn’t have brought her to the public eye. I think her 15 minutes of fame are about up. Her acting, vocal tone, and the gurgling voice when she yells, are awful and need to be replaced immediately.

yes, she is just so horrible. i never liked her. she a nagging, disgusting, little piece of crap. in Kane’s words, “a fire that contaminates whatever it touches”, “a fungus that grows in the marshes of your phychae”. yes, that’s exactly what she is. though Kane used it for rey mysterio. but i use it for vg. she can be removed from SD.

if Taker personally asks for her removal, i don’t think there will be many who can say no. so i am waiting for that auspicious day.

THE DEADMAN RULZ!!!!


Posted by Stefan

O cmon people,Ministry again?Oh no thank you,when i’m watching ministry days,i am always pissed off!Rock,Austin always wining over Taker,that sucks,but i ve got question for Mayank?If Ministry was face,i mean entire face,if crucifying was just punishment for messing someone from the ministry?That would be good.The Crock and 3:16 guy would be just a wrestlers who are trying to entertain the audience back then,but if Taker was a face with ministry also,The Crock and 3;16 wouldn’t even exist,my point is that if Taker wasa face back then with the ministry,these two wouldn’t exist at all.


Posted by Ed Burns

I liked the beginning of the Ministry, before it became the Corporate Ministry. After it became ‘corporate’ Taker was just a pawn in Mcmahons’ issues. When it was just the Ministry, Taker was in charge.


Posted by THE DEADMAN RULZ

Ed Burns wrote:

I liked the beginning of the Ministry, before it became the Corporate Ministry. After it became ‘corporate’ Taker was just a pawn in Mcmahons’ issues. When it was just the Ministry, Taker was in charge.

Ministry is said to be the downest time of his career. well why then? and can anyone please explain to me what they mean by ‘FACE’ and ‘HEEL’. i cannot get the turning face and turning heel. please explain this to me.


Posted by Stefan

Turning face means when bad guy for example Mr.Kennedy becomes a good guy,heel is a good guy becoming evil or bad guy,for an example Big Show


Posted by Mayank Shridhar

Ministry days were not as a ‘face’ – Taker was a heel back then. It happened when Paul Bearer hit Kane with a chair and turned on Kane. Then Taker joined hands with Paul Bearer again to form the ministry and Kane turned tweener.


Posted by Kingpin

you call all say vickys rubbish but she was brought in to be a heel, that means to make people hate her, in that case she has done a fantastic job of it!!!


Posted by Mayank Shridhar

They don’t hate her because she is a good heel. They hate her because she cannot even act how to be a good heel. Examples of good heels are Taker during the ministry days, or Edge/ Randy Orton in the current days, or HHH/ Flair during Evolution. They sold their character well to the crowd and could present themselves genuinely as heels. Vickie doesn’t know how to speak.


Posted by Ed Burns

Taker had quite a few matches while in the beginning stages of the Ministry where he was cheered. People also forget the Sunday Night Heat the week before Mania 15, Taker came in and saved Austin and Foley from the Corporation. They also split a beer. This lead to Mcmahon accusing Taker of collusion with Austin at Raw the next night.


Posted by Ed Burns

The part of the Ministry he thought was the low point was the Corporate Ministry.


Posted by Mayank Shridhar

The part of the ministry where he saved Austin/ Foley was very short-lived. For most of the ministry later, he was a heel and losing matches to Austin and Rock. Taker later said the corporate ministry was low because he merged with the McMahons’ corporation and became a part of something that was not derived from the Undertaker. I felt the entire ministry was a low point because though fans did cheer for him even when he was a heel – overall, he didn’t get as many cheers as he used to get in his mortician and dead-man persona but most of the cheers now went to Austin and Rock.

It allowed Austin and Rock to become popular. They hadn’t done as much in the business as Taker had done earlier, and they hadn’t been as dominant as him. But Taker was the measuring stick in terms of dominance – just because he turned heel and the storyline turned against him, those 2 started defeating him and they were accepted as the best wrestlers. It sucked, because WWE ruined the dominance of Taker which they created for a decade. That’s the way the business wanted to go – in favour of the attitude era, but maybe they could still have maintained Taker as a face as they do today and he co-exists with DX, Batista, Cena, etc. The only thing I liked about the ministry was the entrance theme. However, it did give a lot of boys like Edge to come into the limelight. That’s Taker for you – always making others famous.


Posted by Ed Burns

He said he allowed the Ministry to become a pawn for Mcmahon, that was his lowest point. He said otherwise the Ministry was a good idea. Originally he wanted to face the Crock at Mania 15. Austin got that as we know. Alot of people see that as a low point due to the fact he was a heel. I think it was a necessary step in his progression.


Posted by Mayank Shridhar

The ministry in my opinion was good for the others who gained popularity with it like Big SLow, Edge, Viscera, Gangrel, JBL, etc. Taker eventually got a lot of boos and the fan following went towards Austin and Rock.


Posted by Ed Burns

Big Daddy V and Gangrel didn’t reap the benefits like the others did. Slow was a project that still to this day has not shown any improvement from those days.


Posted by Mayank Shridhar

Though he is pushed more these days than he was earlier.


Posted by Ed Burns

He’s about to get pushed back to his rightful place in the mid card after Taker wins.